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Homosexual Rights in the Star Trek Universe
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Of the modern drama and comedies I watch, I can't think of one that has NO depictions of sexual relationships in some way. Often it's subtle and in the background, but it is there.
Even something like PawnStars has on rare occasions mention the sexual orientation of the four main males in the show (all heteros). Older shows like The Walton's and The Brady Bunch also made clear the orientation of the adults (again all hetero).
Mike Brady was portrayed by a gay actor, but the character was solidly straight.
If I might ask robau, what do you watch and enjoy that has literal NO "sexual relationships of any sort?"
Although most studies do agree that statistically young gay males do have the most amount sex with the highest number of partners of any demographic.
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Austin City Limits?
Give robau a break. He had, like, what, maybe 4 minutes of screentime? That's not a lot of time for a sexual relationship. And then he was... impaled... on Nero's...
You know what? Nevermind.
IMHO, the great debate is not whether homosexuality should be depicted onscreen, but what degree of sex should be depicted onscreen.
As I have put forth in many other threads, Keiko/Miles O'Brien was the perfect example of depicting married life on Trek. A Trek gay couple could have been portrayed in those scenes without any display of sexual activity.
My typical "gay" scene would show two men in their quarters talking about the same thing any two working couples would. Red Alert suddenly sounds and general quarters is ordered. Before rushing out of their quarters they hug, tell each other to be careful and hope they see each other for their "date night" in Ten Forward. IMO, one should be an away team member. Perhaps one jokes that it is a good thing neither wears a Red Shirt. [Or wishes his husband did NOT wear a Red Shirt!]
NO SEX to offend those looking to be offended. A positive portrayal of gay married life.
Your scenes may vary in scope and portrayal, but the goal is the same: gay people exist in the future, have regular lives, regular relationships, regular hopes and fears. THIS is the real "gay agenda".
As I have put forth in many other threads, Keiko/Miles O'Brien was the perfect example of depicting married life on Trek. A Trek gay couple could have been portrayed in those scenes without any display of sexual activity.
My typical "gay" scene would show two men in their quarters talking about the same thing any two working couples would. Red Alert suddenly sounds and general quarters is ordered. Before rushing out of their quarters they hug, tell each other to be careful and hope they see each other for their "date night" in Ten Forward. IMO, one should be an away team member. Perhaps one jokes that it is a good thing neither wears a Red Shirt. [Or wishes his husband did NOT wear a Red Shirt!]
NO SEX to offend those looking to be offended. A positive portrayal of gay married life.Your scenes may vary in scope and portrayal, but the goal is the same: gay people exist in the future, have regular lives, regular relationships, regular hopes and fears. THIS is the real "gay agenda".
Might be because young males just don't make that giant fuss about the whole thing and just enjoy sex for what it is.Although most studies do agree that statistically young gay males do have the most amount sex with the highest number of partners of any demographic.
I've been hit on (most of the time pretty aggressively) by gay folks so many times... if I were gay as well, oh boy...
I wish!Although most studies do agree that statistically young gay males do have the most amount sex with the highest number of partners of any demographic.
So do I! Why don't those studies ever ask me?I wish!Although most studies do agree that statistically young gay males do have the most amount sex with the highest number of partners of any demographic.
Only one I can think of is American Restoration. Almost Human, sort of, but McCoy will obviously tap the Resident Hot Chick at some point.
When Mad Men comes back, there will be rampant hetero sex. When Game of Thrones comes back, there will be rampant hetero AND gay sex.
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Don't know, it would depend on how much of a open door policy the Federation Membership has.
There's also the factor of how much the Federation might themselves need that particular new Member, what the new Member would bring to the group. The world might occupy a desirable section of the sky, would bring a couple of dozen star systems with them, have pre-existing diplomatic relation with civilizations farther out.
If a world wanted to join the Federation's community and had a strong fleet of starships at a time when the Federation needed just such a fleet on one of it's frontiers, the Membership might be willing to overlook certain aspects of their society.
Ardana's social structure would have been pretty easy to figure out in a relatively short period of time, but they possessed the only source of zenite and might have had other attributes too.
I imagine in such a multicultural Federation, definition of marriage is considered a personal matter and not one decided by the central government. So, like how the US has some states that accept gay marriage and some that don't, if you live on a planet that does not allow gay marriage, you can go to a planet that does and get married, and then get Federation marriage benefits, but then your home planet is free not to recognize it.
The human idea of marriage isn't a universal concept. Different races have different ideas of what it means when people bond together through sexual attraction. The Klingon version of marriage or the Vulcan version are nothing like the human version, we just call it 'Marriage' because it's the most similar concept in human culture and language. My feeling is that the Federation does not enforce it's own ideas about sexual bonding on its member cultures.
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I will agree that they go overboard with the nudity and sex on some TV shows. I'm a fan of Game of Thrones, but the amount of tits is far and beyond what's actually necessary to the story. The culture of sexuality in the US has become so open and forward when it should be treated as something personal. But also we need to stop overreacting to it, and giving celebrities so much attention whenever they act sexually. If people weren't offended by Miley Cyrus acting sexual, nobody would still care about Miley Cyrus.
We shouldn't go out of our way to show sex on screen all the time, but we also should not repress it as it is a fundamental force in human motivations and human bonding. If people stopped being so offended by sex, we'd stop hearing about sex so much and it'd go back to just being something personal.
I think there should be homosexual characters in Star Trek, but it should just be treated as a normal part of who they are, and it shouldn't be used as the central issue of their character.
Need I point out that the very first Star Trek pilot, "The Cage," was all about aliens trying to get a virile human specimen to mate in captivity? And that the first aired episode, "Mantrap," was all about McCoy's old girlfriend--and an alien that attracted its victims by posing as attractive members of the opposite sex?
So,yeah, sex and sexual attraction have literally been part of Trek since the very beginning.
(Speaking of "Mantrap": Granted this would never have been allowed in 1966, but, in retrospect, they missed a bet by not having the Salt Vampire appear as an attractive man or woman to a gay crew member. That would've been a clever and graceful way to address the issue in Episode One . . . if it had been possible by the standards of the time.)
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So there should be episodes like City On The Edge and The Perfect Mate if they involve individuals of the same sex?
Sweetness you just have to get yourself out there.
It might help if the different forms of marriage had unique names/terms attached to them, instead of every form being simply labeled "marriage."
Denobulans practice "group marriage," I think Phlox did use a certain term in his native language once while describing it to Trip.
Just showing a relationship along the lines of Miles and Keiko (less fighting maybe), I can't remember them ever being shown in bed. But they were a loving couple ... in their own way.
I don't imagine there are any such things. IMO(and this is where we venture off topic a bit) there shouldn't be any in the US either. No tax breaks, etc. Buy a car or house, put both names on it for joint ownership in case of a divorce or death. Put in your will to leave all your stuff to a certain person. I'm sure there are other examples people could come up with, but the government should get completely out of the marriage business. I imagine the UFP having very limited interest in it.
As to Almost Human:
One of the serialized elements of the show is about the main detective's (Kennex's) former girlfriend, it's been referenced that he's attracted to Minka Kelly's character, and there have been numerous relationships shown among the characters who show up week to week. Oh, and the *second* episode of the series was about Sexbots.
This is "check your privilege" moment. Heterosexuality shows up *all the time*, and people don't notice it. But any inclusion of gays (read: showing the world for how it actually exists) is seen as part of an agenda, and is referred to as "shoving it down our throats!"
Good call. I've only seen the first episode, but I remember that Karl Urban's character spent a lot of time obsessing over his missing girlfriend and watching her videos over and over . . . .
That's an interesting argument for a very different topic, whether the government should be involved in any form of marriage at all. I would agree there shouldn't be tax benefits but there should be special hospital visiting privileges and some way to declare somebody your default medical proxy or will recipient should nothing else be specified. As far as the Federation is concerned I would think they recognize marriage in some way just because in the 24th century it's still the basis of family organization for most cultures.
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Why not? It's more difficult to have episodes like that for gay characters just because the dating pool is 4% the size of the heterosexual dating pool so it's more likely to feel contrived that they meet a person who just happens to also be gay, but if the plot calls for it, absolutely they should have an episode like that.
The business depicted in that show is Rick's Restorations, it's owner Rick Dale is married and has a son Tyler who is also on the show. Rick Dale is (by appearances) a heterosexual.
This is kind of what IndyJones was talking about, Rick Dale's (and others) sexuality is on display, but when it's hetero you don't see it. If Dale's was gay, the very first time he mentioned his male partner in passing it would have rung a bell.
Shouldn't there be?
he also got married during the course of the show so his relationship with his GF/Fiance/Wife was a storyline used on the show.The business depicted in that show is Rick's Restorations, it's owner Rick Dale is married and has a son Tyler who is also on the show. Rick Dale is (by appearances) a heterosexual.
This is kind of what IndyJones was talking about, Rick Dale's (and others) sexuality is on display, but when it's hetero you don't see it. If Dale's was gay, the very first time he mentioned his male partner in passing it would have rung a bell.
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