So he's the Klingon equivalent of St. Peter?
Klingon first contact
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So he's the Klingon equivalent of St. Peter?
Yes, almost exactly - a saint, but of Klingon virtues rather than Catholic ones.
Hmm. Very thought-provoking. You know, I think I'd almost prefer to be greeted by Kahless the Unforgettable at the pearly gates, as opposed to some dusty old guy whose only notable achievement since his passing has been his role as God's waiting room attendant.
Kahless was honored simply because he was the biggest bad-ass the Klingons ever knew. He took part of his hair and made the first Bat'leth in a freak'n volcano, then killed the tyrant Molor with it.
Ya gotta respect that sort of thing...
Ya gotta respect that sort of thing...
They definitely should make a movie out of this. If the audiences can handle 12 dwarves and a hobbit, they can handle a couple of bad ass Klingons.
Not all Klingons go to Stovokor, there is also a Hell (forget the name) in the Klingon faith.
Sort of, after creating the first two Klingons, the power of the two Klingon hearts was so powerful, their force killed the Klingon gods. It's not like it was a act of deliberation on the Klingons part.
Wrong, Jesus is god.Jesus was nothing more either. Holy Trinity, yeah right.Kahless was more of a societal prophet than God.
YMMV.
Not all Klingons go to Stovokor, there is also a Hell (forget the name) in the Klingon faith.
Sort of, after creating the first two Klingons, the power of the two Klingon hearts was so powerful, their force killed the Klingon gods. It's not like it was a act of deliberation on the Klingons part.
Wrong, Jesus is god.Jesus was nothing more either. Holy Trinity, yeah right.Kahless was more of a societal prophet than God.
YMMV.
How does that work? Is Jesus just God playing Second Life?
I figure the arrival of the Vulcans--at first perceived by the Earthlings as a peaceful, enlightened, almost monk-like people--would have spawned a new sort of "flower power" movement among the particularly bright-eyed and/or war weary. (And, if ENT is to be believed, I would guess even many of those new "flower children" would eventually, if reluctantly, come to understand what assholes the Vulcans really are. 
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First encounter with the Klingons would likely inspired many fewer love beads and many more calls for increased defense spending.
)First encounter with the Klingons would likely inspired many fewer love beads and many more calls for increased defense spending.
I figure the arrival of the Vulcans--at first perceived by the Earthlings as a peaceful, enlightened, almost monk-like people--would have spawned a new sort of "flower power" movement among the particularly bright-eyed and/or war weary. (And, if ENT is to be believed, I would guess even many of those new "flower children" would eventually, if reluctantly, come to understand what assholes the Vulcans really are.
First encounter with the Klingons would likely inspired many fewer love beads and many more calls for increased defense spending.
In the real world, I think that first contact with the Vulcans would have resulted in the United States making efforts to subjugate the Vulcans, whereas first contact with the Klingons would have resulted in an arms deal, as bullets seem to be a lost (and terrifyingly effective) technology by the 23rd / 24th centuries.
^ Although I often disagree with what politicians do, I definitely do not share your blanket negative opinion of my country.
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^ You're right. This is a discussion board, and simply stating my disagreement with your opinion without any actual discussion of why is not much better than spamming. So, here's why I disagree with your theory on these first contacts, which I should have posted in my original response.
In the "real world," as you specified, I don't think your version makes any sense. A world that can barely achieve low-Earth orbit encounters a true interstellar civilization and you think anyone would think "subjugating" them a real possibility? As low as my opinion of politicians often is, I don't imagine them to be that clueless.
As for (if I understood your point correctly) the Klingons wanting to make an "arms deal" to acquire the secrets of gunpowder and projectile weapons, I just can't imagine the simple chemistry of gunpowder would be a mystery to any advanced civilization. And even if it were, the Klingons are hardly the type to enter into "arms deals" with a vastly inferior foe when stealing a simple rifle cartridge would tell them everything they need to know.
In the "real world," as you specified, I don't think your version makes any sense. A world that can barely achieve low-Earth orbit encounters a true interstellar civilization and you think anyone would think "subjugating" them a real possibility? As low as my opinion of politicians often is, I don't imagine them to be that clueless.
As for (if I understood your point correctly) the Klingons wanting to make an "arms deal" to acquire the secrets of gunpowder and projectile weapons, I just can't imagine the simple chemistry of gunpowder would be a mystery to any advanced civilization. And even if it were, the Klingons are hardly the type to enter into "arms deals" with a vastly inferior foe when stealing a simple rifle cartridge would tell them everything they need to know.
I don't recall any statements being made in First Contact that portrayed Earthlings as being an inferior, spaceflight-inhibited species - only that they were incapable of warp. Indeed, Earthlings are shown to be advanced enough that Lily actually mistakes Borg weapons fire for that of one of the 'factions.' Therefore, the North Americans storming the Vulcan ship and either killing or capturing its occupants is not as far-fetched as you make it out to be.
Additionally, with regard to the Klingons, it's been established that they were technologically backward enough that they had to broker an arms deal with the Romulans, who they hate, just to get ahead. I think it's not implausible that they might trade guns with the Earthers as well.
^ I guess I don't understand what you meant by "In the real world." I assumed your comments were meant to reflect upon the characteristics of the real-world, present-day USA.
In the context of a fictional, futuristic USA, I'm not sure what "in the real world" means.
In the context of a fictional, futuristic USA, I'm not sure what "in the real world" means.
Sorry for the confusion. I meant real world post-apocalyptic hellhole future Montana.
^ Ah. No sweat.
In that case, I withdraw my objections. You could well be right.
And that's an interesting point you bring up about just how advanced was Earth before the war, and how far back toward the stone age did they get bombed.
In that case, I withdraw my objections. You could well be right.
And that's an interesting point you bring up about just how advanced was Earth before the war, and how far back toward the stone age did they get bombed.
Silly - we wouldn't be trying to subjugate the Vulcans! We'd be trying to figure out how to trade or otherwise get stuff out of them so that we could subjugate the rest of our own world. Duh.
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