Star Trek III - The [Speculation Begins] (Spoilers)

[Mage]

What's with this fascination some people have of bringing the Borg into this? Old Trek with the Borg will only appeal to a very small audience. The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every change of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.

What I want from nuTrek 3 is exactly what I got from the other two.

 

[CorporalClegg]

What's with this fascination some people have of bringing the Borg into this? Old Trek with the Borg will only appeal to a very small audience.

BS. Zombies are in.

 

[Lance]

The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every chance of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.

Hmm. I guess by that reasoning using Khan was a mistake, then?

 

[sonak]

I'd like to see a crossover where Kirk fights a resurgent Sith order.

 

[Mage]

The reason nuTrek is doing so well in theaters, is because it's appealing to non-fans aswell, and this actualy creating new fans in the process. However, if you rehash stuff from other series into a new movie, no one's going to get it, most older fans will hate it, and every chance of ever getting any new Trek is basicly gone.

Hmm. I guess by that reasoning using Khan was a mistake, then?

I'm still not 100% sure on that myself. I feel that the movie could have work just as well if Harrison was just a genetically engineered superhuman, not Khan himself. But atleast Khan was part of TOS. This need to bring something from every show into nuTrek baffles me.

But yes, short answer, it could have been just John Harrison.

 

[M'Sharak]

I really don't know where you take Star Trek at this point. I would like an original story but it would have to be written well and without that swiss cheese of plot holes that was Into Darkness. I would like to see Kirk fight the Borg but with the assistance of the planet killer from the original series. I believe it had been postulated that the the planet killer was designed as a doomsday machine against the Borg.

Had it? In dialogue from the original episode, Spock says that:

Mr. Sulu has computed the path of the machine, using the destroyed solar systems as a base course. Projecting back on our star charts, we find that it came from outside, from another galaxy.

and, in response to the question of who would build such a machine:

We don't know. An alien race, apparently from another galaxy.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The idea that it was built to fight the Borg comes from Peter David's novels Vendetta and Before Dishonor. They retconned Spock's line to mean it left our galaxy and flew around part of it and re-entered - the rationale being that a machine that feeds on planets wouldn't find any fuel in the intergalactic void and so would never manage the journey.

 

[Hober Mallow]

The idea that it was built to fight the Borg comes from Peter David's novels Vendetta and Before Dishonor. They retconned Spock's line to mean it left our galaxy and flew around part of it and re-entered - the rationale being that a machine that feeds on planets wouldn't find any fuel in the intergalactic void and so would never manage the journey.

Everything's connected in the continuity porn land of Trek fiction.

 

[Beyerstein]

I'm in favor of restoring the timeline and wrapping it up by the end of the third movie.

 

[F. King Daniel]

'Restoring' makes no sense, since we've been repeatedly told by TPTB and in the expanded universe (comics, novels, games) that the original Trek timeline is still there existing in parallel to this one.

It would also be extremely unsatisfying for those of us who actually like these versions of the characters, to see them erased.

 

[Maxillius]

I want to see Bajorans and Cardassians. I want to see Kirk and the Federation kick some serious Cardassian tail and prevent the occupation. I'd also get a kick out of the wormhole getting screentime (imagine the 3D thrill-ride that can make out of THAT!)

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.

 

[sonak]

They should remake the last episode of TOS.

I'd pay to see Pine play the role of captain Kirk possessed by a crazy woman. Who is going to play Lester?

 

[BillJ]

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.

Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.

 

[Sindatur]

They should remake the last episode of TOS.

I'd pay to see Pine play the role of captain Kirk possessed by a crazy woman. Who is going to play Lester?

They could always give the role to Carol Marcus. Maybe they almost start something, and Carol feels used and jealous and goes off the deep end

 

[Belz...]

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.

Who cares ? You know you can still watch DS9, right ? They didn't grab all copies of the DVD and destroyed them along with the master tapes. I don't see what the problem is, even if we assume that the original timeline has been wiped.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Which, fortunately, it has not.

Logically speaking, the Abramsverse can never be undone, since nobody in the prime timeline knows anything about it (from their POV, Nero and Spock just vanished and were never seen again), and if somebody in the Abramsverse tries to do something like slingshot back and destroy Nero, that'll just create a third timeline - it won't eliminate the second one.

 

[JarodRussell]

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.

Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.

The concept of non-linear aliens living in the wormhole and interacting with linear Bajor doesn't work with Abramstrek's concept of time travel anyways. I don't think the wormhole aliens produced an infinite amounts of Benjamin Sisko's to fulfil their plans in all the parallel universes, and every time they interact with him, they create a new universe. No no. They need one timeline that is subject to predestination paradoxes and bla.

 

[BillJ]

As a Niner, that would be a bittersweet thing, to see the Bajorans get out of 50 years of pain while in a single movie my whole favorite Star Trek series gets wiped out of the timeline.

Good to know that four-and-a-half years after Star Trek 2009, people still don't understand branching timelines.

The concept of non-linear aliens living in the wormhole and interacting with linear Bajor doesn't work with Abramstrek's concept of time travel anyways. I don't think the wormhole aliens produced an infinite amounts of Benjamin Sisko's to fulfil their plans in all the parallel universes, and every time they interact with him, they create a new universe. No no. They need one timeline that is subject to predestination paradoxes and bla.

Depending on what one thinks of the novels, there is one that opens exactly that way. With multiple versions of Ben Sisko.

I can't remember which book... maybe The Neverending Sacrifice or The Soul Key?

EDIT: It is Fearful Symmetry.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I wish they'd just rebooted Trek without apology instead of doing the half-assed geek reassuring branched timeline crap.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Speak for yourself. I love that "timeline branching crap". The trick is, they do whatever the hell they want anyway and if fans like it, they'll suspend disbelief.