I don't think Voyager gets the right credit

[Pavonis]

Before most of us? You don't know how old most of us are! There are some real old-timers here, older than you, even.

 

[R. Star]

I finished re-reading Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories yesterday. A lot of the problems in STV aren't his fault as a director, as he got jerked around by the studio and his producer and budgets just like anyone else. He was disappointed that the ending was basically cobbled together and bore no resemblance to his initial goals.
Roddenberry, of course, hated it, just like he hated II, III, IV, and especially VI.

LOL, everyone, I am 50 so I was hooked on Star Trek before most of you.

Welcome to the old-timers club. Got you beat by 12 years.

Is it bad Melakon I was thinking when I read this post, I was gonna reply yelling for you to educate that youngin about oldschool Trek?

But you beat me to it.

 

[Melakon]

You should see how dangerous I am with my cane when I really lose my temper.

 

[R. Star]

You should see how dangerous I am with my cane when I really lose my temper.

Hey... Clint Eastwood pulled off sounding threatening yelling "Get off my lawn!" in that Gran Torino movie.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

LOL, everyone, I am 50 so I was hooked on Star Trek before most of you. On the TOS movies. And this is before the Next Generation movies started. One rule you have to keep in mind.

"Even number on the "Star Trek Movies" don't suck. LOL, that means 2,4, 6 are worth watching.

I will defend V to the DEATH!!

(with my cane)

 

[Melakon]

LOL, everyone, I am 50 so I was hooked on Star Trek before most of you. On the TOS movies. And this is before the Next Generation movies started. One rule you have to keep in mind.

"Even number on the "Star Trek Movies" don't suck. LOL, that means 2,4, 6 are worth watching.

I will defend V to the DEATH!!

(with my cane)

No, no, no. You have to do it like the Three Stooges. Example:

Moe: They can't treat us like that! I'll fight them to the last drop of. . .(points at Curly). . .your blood!

 

[tomalak301]

My rankings:

TNG
DS9
Voyager
Star Trek
Enterprise

I like the top three more than I like the bottom two, even though the bottom two do have moments, and I respect Star Trek.

 

[Oynaq]

LOL, you people are killing me. So I got hold of really "mature" people. I guess that I am the young one in the crowd.

I thank you, I was going to paste a thought on Star Trek and the "Big Bang Theory" tomorrow. But I guess that would be wasted here.

Ya'll take it easy,

Oy

 

[tomalak301]

LOL, you people are killing me. So I got hold of really "mature" people. I guess that I am the young one in the crowd.

I thank you, I was going to paste a thought on Star Trek and the "Big Bang Theory" tomorrow. But I guess that would be wasted here.

Ya'll take it easy,

Oy

Um, sorry we didn't meet your preconceived expectations?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

LOL, you people are killing me. So I got hold of really "mature" people. I guess that I am the young one in the crowd.

I thank you, I was going to paste a thought on Star Trek and the "Big Bang Theory" tomorrow. But I guess that would be wasted here.

Ya'll take it easy,

Oy

What are you annoyed about?

You were welcomed to the site and everyone talked about your thread topic, Voyager etc.. We are all ages here from early 20's to 60's. Most of us have seen most of Trek and age doesn't have much to do with it other than giving people specific stories about what they saw in the cinema.

You should stay and chat. We like new people and new thread starters

 

[Melakon]

. . .I was going to paste a thought on Star Trek and the "Big Bang Theory" tomorrow. But I guess that would be wasted here.

I think "Big Bang Theory" sometimes enters discussions around here, and some of the other sub-forums as well. I'm not qualified to discuss it though.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Neither am I, I am fail. I'm sure we have at least one resident who has watched all of it though.

 

[Melakon]

Voyager forum does sometimes turn into the Mad Tea Party of TrekBBS.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Even if the OP doesn't come back, which would be a shame, we will always have his poll.

Vote! Twice!

And yeah I could say VOY doesn't get enough credit but I know the truth. Enterprise saved VOY from being the ugly sister of Star Trek. Far more vitriol aimed there, also unwarranted. But don't worry ENT I'm sure JJ will turn that around for you!

 

[Jeri]

Oynaq, you're asking this question on the wrong website; the TrekBBS was founded by and continues to be populated in large part by Niners. I will be super pleased if one day Voyager gets the credit it's due here. TOS is always my sentimental favorite; it's part of me. But VOY is my favorite modern Trek.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

If you want an answer for flat-out "best", I wouldn't be able to choose. However VOY is the most special series to me since it was my first Trek series and the one I also tend to re-watch and read the novels for the most. I know VOY as a kind of old friend better than I know any other series. I love it. But I cannot choose a "best". They are all great.

 

[MacLeod]

I just got finished watching all 7 seasons of Voyager. Now I am a BIG original fan and that can never be replaced. But when I watched Voyager to me it was the apex of what the Next Generation and Deep Space Nine was building up to. Janeway is not my favorite Captain, but I have no reason to talk bad about her.

The story lines and crew developed into so much a stronger to the "star trek" theme. I don't think they get the credit they deserve.

What do you think?

I didn't really get the sense that TNG and DSN were building up to an apex of any kind. Nor in my opinion was VOY the apex of ST as a whole, if anything DSN was apex of Star Trek.

So out of curisoity what apex are you referring to?

But one of the critisims levelled at both VOY and ENT is that they failed to live up their premise. S4 of ENT is generally regarded as one if it's best season, it was also the closest in terms of narrative to it's premise or it's percieved premise the creation of the Federation.

VOY's premises as sold was a ship on it's in own with limited resources, what some felt they got was TNG-lite (aka TNG 2.0). Any limitations the writers put on themsevles were more often or not queitly dropped and forgotten about. To me that shows a lack of respect for your audiance, now of course VOY isn't the only show guilty of that.

Now of course we all have our likes and dislikes, and the order in which we watched then ST shows can affected how we percieve them. For example if VOY is someones introduction to trek they might find it new, but for some of the older fans they might find it dull and repetative (i.e you've used that plot before several times in TOS and TNG, and done it better).

Each of the ST shows has its good points and it's bad points.

 

[Timewalker]

Which movie haven't you seen?

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

I also only recently saw The Undiscovered Country (watching it as an appendix to my Voyager [re]watch-through).

This movie has a few good lines and we get to see a bit more of McCoy's backstory, but otherwise it's crap.

It's also the only ST movie I ever considered walking out of the theatre over, as I found it that bad.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I love that movie.

Have I said so in this thread already? Probably

 

[R. Star]

Yes... you have. Other threads too. You also have a quote from that movie in your signature. All you need to do is change your avatar to Sybok with Janeway's head to complete the picture.