STID realistic?

[Crazy Eddie]

Shall we start with that ridiculous "lava rafting" thing nuSpock does in the beginning?

I think you've got the wrong film, mate.

And speaking of the ship, it must have displaced quite a bit of water when it entered and exited the ocean. Yet nobody noticed...

I'm pretty sure they noticed, dude.

Oh, see nuKirk get shot out of the ship in his space suit. See his helmet get compromised and cracked numerous times by space debris. See nuKirk not even a little bit worried about running out of oxygen or suffering decompression. Damn, those must be really strong helmets that can crack like a windshield and still be perfectly safe to use.

What's unrealistic about strong helmets?

More importantly, unless you know for a fact that those visors are built with only a single layer of transparent material (unlike every space suit in the history of ever) then it would only be his HUD that was cracked.

And speaking of artificial gravity... can anyone explain the part where people are sliding all over the place and falling? Was the artificial gravity completely off, or was it just wonky?

Just wonky, I should think. That's why some parts of the ship had normal gravity and some went lateral; Chekov is seen sliding all the way across the deck while two compartments away Scotty and Kirk are upright.

I'm not familiar enough with starship blueprints to comment on the measurements of the various ships, but damn, nuScotty could have used a Segway when he was running... and running... and running... and running...

Because running a long way inside of a very large space ship is unrealistic.

 

[Set Harth]

And speaking of artificial gravity... can anyone explain the part where people are sliding all over the place and falling? Was the artificial gravity completely off, or was it just wonky?

Just wonky, I should think. That's why some parts of the ship had normal gravity and some went lateral; Chekov is seen sliding all the way across the deck while two compartments away Scotty and Kirk are upright.

I think this scene is best explained by Abrams simply following in the footsteps of his idol Lucas, including making the same mistakes. Lucas screwed this up in ROTS.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

And speaking of artificial gravity... can anyone explain the part where people are sliding all over the place and falling? Was the artificial gravity completely off, or was it just wonky?

Just wonky, I should think. That's why some parts of the ship had normal gravity and some went lateral; Chekov is seen sliding all the way across the deck while two compartments away Scotty and Kirk are upright.

I think this scene is best explained by Abrams simply following in the footsteps of his idol Lucas, including making the same mistakes. Lucas screwed this up in ROTS.

Yes, but IN UNIVERSE it can be rationalized fairly pretty well.

 

[Set Harth]

Oh, I know. Because that's what I had to do in 2005 as well.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Shall we start with that ridiculous "lava rafting" thing nuSpock does in the beginning?

I think you've got the wrong film, mate.

I thought that sounded familiar, although I couldn't place it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And speaking of artificial gravity... can anyone explain the part where people are sliding all over the place and falling? Was the artificial gravity completely off, or was it just wonky?

Just wonky, I should think. That's why some parts of the ship had normal gravity and some went lateral; Chekov is seen sliding all the way across the deck while two compartments away Scotty and Kirk are upright.

I think this scene is best explained by Abrams simply following in the footsteps of his idol Lucas, including making the same mistakes. Lucas screwed this up in ROTS.

No, it's simply called editing. We're not seeing the journey in real-time, and since the ship is spinning and tilting all the way down, we're merely skipping a couple of minutes or seconds between shots.

 

[SeerSGB]

...(since nuScotty never mentioned anything about it possibly having an adverse effect on the ship).

Yeah, I know. Scotty never once complained about the water affecting the ship. Did he.

 

[Balrog]

Jim Kirk's motto: "Never say die".

Star Trek: Goonies

 

[Timewalker]

Shall we start with that ridiculous "lava rafting" thing nuSpock does in the beginning?

I think you've got the wrong film, mate.

A. NuSpock was flailing around on a piece of hardened lava in a river of magma. It wasn't an artificial raft, but he still used it as a raft.

B. I never saw all of the Star Wars prequels, so I have no familiarity with that scene.

And speaking of the ship, it must have displaced quite a bit of water when it entered and exited the ocean. Yet nobody noticed...

I'm pretty sure they noticed, dude.

I'm quite certain they never noticed any large displacements of water that should have happened when something that large gets dropped into a body of water that's basically next door.

Yes, I concede they promptly started drawing pictures of the ship (all the while not bothering to run for cover from the volcanic ash still clogging the air...). That's not the same thing.

BTW, my name is not "dude".

And speaking of artificial gravity... can anyone explain the part where people are sliding all over the place and falling? Was the artificial gravity completely off, or was it just wonky?

Just wonky, I should think. That's why some parts of the ship had normal gravity and some went lateral; Chekov is seen sliding all the way across the deck while two compartments away Scotty and Kirk are upright.

Thank you for clarifying. Should a starship be able to remain intact with these kinds of gravitational stresses?

I'm not familiar enough with starship blueprints to comment on the measurements of the various ships, but damn, nuScotty could have used a Segway when he was running... and running... and running... and running...

Because running a long way inside of a very large space ship is unrealistic.

It's inefficient, and looked ridiculous.

...(since nuScotty never mentioned anything about it possibly having an adverse effect on the ship).

Yeah, I know. Scotty never once complained about the water affecting the ship. Did he.

He complained about salt water. But when you have a situation of a volcano erupting next to a body of water, the water turns acidic. NuScotty should have been complaining about sulfuric acid in addition to salt water.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's a nice "science fact". But not something that had to be addressed by the film. There are probably several "science facts" that could have been mentioned in numerous situations in various Trek films/episodes over the last five decades, but do they really have to be?

 

[BillJ]

That's a nice "science fact". But not something that had to be addressed by the film. There are probably several "science facts" that could have been mentioned in numerous situations in various Trek films/episodes over the last five decades, but do they really have to be?

Yes!

I want every Star Trek episode to be three hours long and movie to take a week to watch.

I'm still waiting for McCoy's detailed anatomical profile of the Salt Vampire to be inserted into the middle of The Man Trap, dammit!

 

[Opus]

Ohhhh... The writers should have appeased the vast population of volcanologist Star Trek fans in the audience with an obscure fact. All 47 of them...

Got it.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

That's a nice "science fact". But not something that had to be addressed by the film. There are probably several "science facts" that could have been mentioned in numerous situations in various Trek films/episodes over the last five decades, but do they really have to be?

Yes!

I want every Star Trek episode to be three hours long and movie to take a week to watch.

I'm still waiting for McCoy's detailed anatomical profile of the Salt Vampire to be inserted into the middle of The Man Trap, dammit!

If The Man Trap was a TNG episode then you may have gotten something like that...

 

[Opus]

The Salt Vampire would have also kicked Worf's ass.

 

[BillJ]

The Salt Vampire would have also kicked Worf's ass.

Everyone kicked Worf's ass. He had to be the most ineffective security chief in the Federation (and I like Worf).

 

[T'Girl]

Data: "If you are attempting to extract sodium chloride from my tissues, you will find the endeaver unsuccessful ..."

 

[Enterprise is Great]

It really was a cheap shortcut to show how bad ass the new aliens were by easily defeating Worf. It made Worf look like a wimp and the aliens didn't really come off as bad ass because they defeated Worf so easily.

 

[BillJ]

It really was a cheap shortcut to show how bad ass the new aliens were by easily defeating Worf. It made Worf look like a wimp and the aliens didn't really come off as bad ass because they defeated Worf so easily.

Pretty much.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

That's a nice "science fact". But not something that had to be addressed by the film. There are probably several "science facts" that could have been mentioned in numerous situations in various Trek films/episodes over the last five decades, but do they really have to be?

What's worse. If some of those had to have as much a nod to science facts, they would suddenly find themselves without a story.

Star Trek Into Darkness had much less unrealistic insanity and issues with believability than some of the good old Trek. I don't see why it should be the crown jewel of unrealism, when they are so much better contenders out there. It is probably outmatched by half of the films and so many of episodes in the series.

If STID was true to the canon of realism of the previous films, a mentally deranged crew member would have fired the torpedoes, they would have reached Qo'noS in 3 seconds at half inpulse. The Klingons would have detected the Enterprise by picking GATT's positronic energy, forcing them to hide in the gravity well of a planetoid obscuring their warp signature. Kirk would have driven over the planetoid with a space buggy to the torpedo site to collect its quaternionic radiation in a test tube, which he would use to erase the deranged member from the timeline and stop the war, and Admiral Marcus would have been revealed to be a Klingon using the radiation to smooth his forehead, de-age and augment himself and Carol, who is shocked to find out she's a half-Klingon.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, the deranged crew member turns out to be an avatar of the AI behind Vengeance's self-operation, which is revealed to have the intelligence of a rebellious three-year old.

 

[BillJ]

If STID was true to the canon of realism of the previous films, a mentally deranged crew member would have fired the torpedoes, they would have reached Qo'noS in 3 seconds at half inpulse. The Klingons would have detected the Enterprise by picking GATT's positronic energy, forcing them to hide in the gravity well of a planetoid obscuring their warp signature. Kirk would have driven over the planetoid with a space buggy to the torpedo site to collect its quaternionic radiation in a test tube, which he would use to erase the deranged member from the timeline and stop the war, and Admiral Marcus would have been revealed to be a Klingon using the radiation to smooth his forehead, de-age and augment himself and Carol, who is shocked to find out she's a half-Klingon.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, the deranged crew member turns out to be an avatar of the AI behind Vengeance's self-operation, which is revealed to have the intelligence of a rebellious three-year old.

You'd better stop. I'm sure some members here are getting a deep tingling in their genitals reading the above.