Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1st

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Nope, it's not just you.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Watch something other than Fox News...

The ACA passed the House.
The ACA passed the Senate.
The ACA was signed into law by the President.
The ACA was challenged as being unconstitutional.
The ACA was ruled constitutional by the United States Supreme Court.

It is the law of the land and the Federal Budget and Debt Limit shouldn't be held hostage by some fringe Right-wingers who simply can't admit they lost.

If the reverse happened and the country was held hostage by a few Left-wingers who couldn't admit that a Republican law was the law of the land, the Republicans would be going batshit nuts and rightly so.

The Republicans have tried to vote out the ACA at least 41 times and its time for them to let go and move on to the current business of the nation.

I urge you to call your local representative and tell them that if you truly value what's good for the nation as a whole.

 

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If you ask me, Health Care should be a basic service, as we all require it to live. The idea that it should be on the free market is disgusting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_3#Marketing_and_release
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_V#Release
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV:_A_Realm_Reborn#Testing_and_release

Yes, big government clearly caused healthcare.gov to fail, not the fact that it was a highly anticipated online service like the three I listed above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_debt_ceiling

Specifically:

Congress has already authorized this spending - the debt limit just allows the treasury to actually pay for the spending.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Sure, OK.

Guess they expected less than 7 million.

 

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As someone who works for a company that manages an online service, it's not so much what is expected (that plays only a small factor) as what the hardware is capable of. Not to mention that it was launched in the middle of a shutdown, so it wouldn't surprise me if the government's IT departments were on the fritz, hence why it took so long to come back up.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Here is a thought, is there a difference between what the USA classes as Liberal and what Europe classes as Liberal. Could it be acase of what the US classes as Liberal Europe classes as more centrist?

 

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^ Yes, my understanding is that most US liberals are not liberal by European standards.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Straight party vote.

Straight party vote.

Completely unconstitutional decision.

It was written as a tax, the only way it could be constitutional is if the SC changed it and made it a tax.

Just keep spending and printing money, we'll see what happens.

If the republicans weren't even TALKING then that would be the same situation reversed.

As they should. Their constituents and the majority of the American people don't want it. The polls were CLEAR when they voted it in.

Over 1000 waivers illegally given by Obama to his buds?

I do express my opinion. Not just here.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Hilariously, Republicans got less votes than Democrats did in the House. They were just all operating out of gerrymandered districts, so they squeezed by.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hoyer-house-democrats-won-majority-2012-popu/

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Well Yanks misses the whole point of democracy. If people are overwhelmingly unhappy about the law, they will start voting out those who were responsible for it.

But since that hasn't yet happened...

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Agreed, as I cov red that topic 2-3 pages ago. Yes the Republicans won more seats. But in terms of votes cast they got fewer by some 1.5m or so. The had a negative swing, whilst the Democrats had a positive swing.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Mh, that's kinda how democracy works. Next time try to win the elections.

I don't think you get to decide this. It's the Supreme Court's job.

You don't really get how democracy works, do you?

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

In the last two presidential elections, a large number of Republicans were disgusted with the candidates offered by the party and just chose to stay home. Unfortunately, a vote not cast for one's own party equals a vote for the other party.

Here's an interesting point of view:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey...ong-ago-predicted-obamacares-looming-failure/

ETA:

The United States is not a "democracy." It is a constitutional republic. Look it up.

 

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Why do you think that Republicans are holding the country (and the world if it lasts till the debt ceiling decision) hostage. They lost, the majority of the people want it and their lies about the ACA have only convinced the people who would support the GOP for anything without considering it. They know that after a while it will be like Medicare and Social Security. A completely accepted part of being a citizen and if they touch it, people get upset.

This is the only chance they have left to stop it and they're willing to take the whole country down to do it. They don't care what is best for America, it's just what's best for them. Hopefully they'll get voted out in the next election and replaced by someone with common sense of either party. It would be nice to get some reasonable Republicans back in office.

 

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Yes, that is largely true for the populace and government, though I'd argue the majority of American liberals on TrekBBS lean further to the left than the general public (when we do the political compass tests around here every so often, American liberals are usually just as far to the left as their European counterparts). However, it is irritating at times to see American liberals frequently labelled as centrists by assumption when they're advocating for the same things European liberals are (like single-payer health care for a relevant example). They just aren't always able to get it because there is a strong obstructionist opposition.

But since the poster in question is further to the right of European liberals, American liberals, American centrists, moderate Republicans, and most other conservatives; since my post was clearly referring to left wing posters of all backgrounds, and since my point was not about measuring the actual strength in numbers of both sides of the political spectrum on TrekBBS but simply saying you don't need to drown out your opponents with an excessive number of posts, I'm a little lost on what your question has to do with what I posted.

That's a cutesy gotcha answer that's meant to look smart but doesn't actually contradict his point at all. Yes, the US is not a "pure/direct democracy" because the people do not decide policy directly at the federal level (though some states do with ballot initiatives and so forth), but rather through elected representatives. But it is a democracy in the more general sense in that the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them.

 

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Democracy comes in many forms, Broadly Democracy means

A form of Government which allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.

So USA is a democracy under the broad definition of democracy.

 

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You were saying that the members of the board are largely liberal, perhaps it would be more accurate to say largely liberal by American standards. As has been mentioned posters from other countries outside of the USA find themselves agreeing more with the Democratic Party viewpoint, whilst in their home country they might be to the centre/centre-right of the policitcal spectrum. i.e. not liberal.

 

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Oh, how I love this.

I'll just quote one of the many posts I have made on that regard (and be grateful it's not the longest or the most scating):

Open a book, will ya?

 

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You're absolutely right. That was an incredibly important distinction to make right at the moment when I was talking to a conservative American poster about the Multi-Quote function. It really clarified that debate no one was having.