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DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

For those that don't know, Rich has stated/suggested that the Crime Syndicate capture him and torture him. They have an interest in him for some reason, most likely to do with Dick being considered by some to be the heart and soul of the DCU.
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans? Does he has a history with Superman? He doesn't with Superboy anymore.
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans? Does he has a history with Superman? He doesn't with Superboy anymore.
Did he have a relationship with Superboy previously? Dick wasn't even born when Clark was Superboy. Tim was Kon-el's Robin.
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?

Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.

This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.
 
Yeah, that is why I wonder what the Crime Syndicate would have any particular interest in him, unless they know how important he is to Bruce specifically and are attempting to attack him and the league through Grayson.
 
Yeah, that is why I wonder what the Crime Syndicate would have any particular interest in him, unless they know how important he is to Bruce specifically and are attempting to attack him and the league through Grayson.

I admit, I've pared back my DC reading significantly over the last few months, so I don't know what the build-up to "Trinity War" and Forever Evil is like, but...

Would it be possible that the Crime Syndicate doesn't realize which Earth they're dealing with? That they're assuming that they're dealing with a very different Earth (the pre-"Flashpoint" Earth) than the New 52 Earth, so they would expect characters to be far more important (or less important) than they are?
 
Isn't it simply that Nightwing is important to many fans regardless of how 'famous' he currently is in his fictional universe?
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.

This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.

Another thing I was thinking about today was that Dick was the bridge between the older and younger generations. The older heroes had seen him grow up into a young man and respected him as such. The younger heroes looked up to him as a mentor and a leader. It wasn't just Dick that was lost by the reboot but the new generation of "legacy" heroes that DC had done a great job of developing over the previous fifteen years or so.
 
He used to be, anyway. Does he really have a connection with the greater DCU anymore? Was he ever a part of the Teen Titans?
Dick in the new 52 seems to be only connected with Batman. He was approached to join the League, but did not. He is not connected to any of the Titans characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Beast Boy, and Raven have never been Titans it seems; Wally and Donna don't exist). He never had his Outsiders. The most he could have done was have a few adventures with other heroes during his "brief" stint as Robin.

This gets at what something important the New 52 has lost -- or rather, never had.

The original Dick Grayson was Robin from eight until his early twenties. He grew up as a superhero. He was friends with everyone in a cape, cowl, or mask. Everyone knew him, everyone respected him, and he could relate to everyone. Being a superhero was the only thing he ever knew, really. And because of who he was and who he knew, that made him the emotional center of the DC Universe.

The New 52 Dick Grayson is just another vigilante in a mask. He lost his parents in his late teens, he worked as Robin for a year, changed to Nightwing, had a brief tenure as Batman. There's nothing special about the New 52 Dick Grayson. He's just another mask.
Exactly, this event just exposes another of the myriad of issues with the nu52.
The editors and PTB want the character and his role in this story to happen with the stated reason of him being the "heart and soul" of things but the reality is not in this version of the universe. They are addressing the Dick Grayson of yesteryear, playing to our recollections of what was, not what is within the nu52. I guess it's possible the lines are so blurred they don't even realize that's what they are doing.
 
Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this book, and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.
 
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Because I was barely paying attention, and Captain Atom was fucking unreadable... Can some one explain Nathan's timeline how that he's also a 31st century timecop as well as a 21st century super hero?
 
Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this art and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.

I thought he really managed to do something unique with his version of Ares. He made him unique, but also something sympathetic without trying to whitewash what he was. Of course there is a lot of influences in regards from Gaiman's Endless here.

Also WW related, but Morrison in Kevin Smith's Batman Podcast laid out how he is going to approach his Earth One Wonder Woman, which is back to basics of the original Marston run.
 
Absolutely loved "Wonder Woman #23" from last week. Love everything Azzy is doing in this art and I've talked about Cliff Chiang's art before and am running out of things to say about it.

I thought he really managed to do something unique with his version of Ares. He made him unique, but also something sympathetic without trying to whitewash what he was. Of course there is a lot of influences in regards from Gaiman's Endless here.

Also WW related, but Morrison in Kevin Smith's Batman Podcast laid out how he is going to approach his Earth One Wonder Woman, which is back to basics of the original Marston run.
So....bondage? :shifty:
 
Actually he does mention how chains will be a pervasive element within the Amazon society and he does think the sexual elements played an important part in the original's success.
 
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