Stargate Universe Rewatch: Now with teacake

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Incursion Part 2: Young continues his idiocy. Screaming at the techies to fix the ship. Then he tells them, "Rivers is dead." Everyone looks shocked.

Who the hell is Rivers?

Okay I looked him up, he was Park's mustache lover that she cold shouldered. Well he is dead now. Wah.

All this screaming at the techies.. unlike Kirk barking at Scotty's "I canna.." there's always implied spittle. Flying out of Young's mouth. As he screams to make it all better.

Hilarious later in the ep when Park tells him, "DON'T YELL".



I'm looking forward to getting rid of these other jerks and having lots of Dopud. Riva really is a moron.

And so ends Season 1!

 

[The Wormhole]

And how did Young know that killing someone would debrainwash them?

It worked when Bra'tac did it to Teal'c in early season 5 of SG-1.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Ah, right. I thought it must have happened some time. Thanks!

I guess Young was surprisingly useful.

 

[bullethead]

And how did Young know that killing someone would debrainwash them?

It's a random bit of continuity with SG-1, like The Wormhole said. Literally everyone, even hardcore fans, forgot it before this episode dragged it back up.

I can't wait for your rewatch of the premiere of S2 though. That was such a WTF inducing episode.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Intervention: I loved this episode the second time around. The first time.. I was so confused. Even this time I was a little unsure. When everything started going their way early on, such as Scott and Greer (?) saved from radiation by being on the underside of the ship I thought maybe it was ALL a dream, because there was this series of ridiculously good things happening. And by the end of it the first time you watch it why shouldn't you believe that TJ's baby is somewhere safe, after all Chloe has healed bullet holes in her leg. But this time, knowing what is to come, I could see much more clearly that TJ's dream was all her wishing and desires culminating in her fear and body's knowledge the she no longer had the baby.





One big plot hole in this is no one ever shows her the baby's body, which they certainly would have saved in case she wanted to say goodbye.

The first time I watched this I fully expected TJ's baby to be alive somewhere and was totally confused when we saw the planet eventually. I had to ask wth was going on and have it explained to me It kind of drags out the sadness of TJ losing the baby.


Rush is kind of badass in this one, I enjoyed him. I have gotten over my Rush repulsion!




Also I think the injection of the new people into the crew is good at this point, especially since it's not like the viewers were in love with any of the folk we spent a whole season watching.





So I am assuming when this was written they thought they might actually find the baby again, or leave it open ended forever?

 

[MacLeod]

Throughout the whole Lucian Alliance tries to take Destiny storyline, the Lucian Alliance themselves come off as cartoony bad guys. Randomly killing minions for not being competent enough, brutally torturing their prisoners, Kiva with her "I'm not really a bad person, I just do bad things for my people" routine, the whole thing was pretty damn silly.

And why do the Lucian Alliance care so much about Destiny? Yeah, I know there's supposed to be legends and myths about the great treasures and rewards to be found at the other end of the Stargate when you dial the nine chevron address. But based on the conversation between Rush and Varo, the Alliance know damn well that the other end of the ninth chevron leads to a run-down starship on the ass-end of the universe. Yet they still want to make a play for it since it means getting an Ancient starship. If having an Ancient ship is so damn important, wouldn't it be easier to find a way over to the Pegasus galaxy and take one of the dozens that are drifting over there?

You still need an intergalactic hyperdrive to get there.

 

[The Wormhole]

But this time, knowing what is to come, I could see much more clearly that TJ's dream was all her wishing and desires culminating in her fear and body's knowledge the she no longer had the baby.

I always assumed TJ's dream was Destiny's computer implanting a dream into her head, much like it does later on in the season with Young and the battle scenarios. Except instead of testing Young's worth to be its commander, in this case Destiny is simply trying to give TJ something comforting to help her deal with the loss of her baby. TJ seeing the nebula from her dream at the end of the episode kind of helps back this up, Destiny used its image for TJ's dream to help sell the fantasy. Would have worked had Dr. Caine and his gang not returned. Alien gods can be such douchebags

So I am assuming when this was written they thought they might actually find the baby again, or leave it open ended forever?

I don't know, I would think that when the episode was written they had the first half of the season mapped, and Dr. Caine's return was in the first half. But who knows?

Throughout the whole Lucian Alliance tries to take Destiny storyline, the Lucian Alliance themselves come off as cartoony bad guys. Randomly killing minions for not being competent enough, brutally torturing their prisoners, Kiva with her "I'm not really a bad person, I just do bad things for my people" routine, the whole thing was pretty damn silly.

And why do the Lucian Alliance care so much about Destiny? Yeah, I know there's supposed to be legends and myths about the great treasures and rewards to be found at the other end of the Stargate when you dial the nine chevron address. But based on the conversation between Rush and Varo, the Alliance know damn well that the other end of the ninth chevron leads to a run-down starship on the ass-end of the universe. Yet they still want to make a play for it since it means getting an Ancient starship. If having an Ancient ship is so damn important, wouldn't it be easier to find a way over to the Pegasus galaxy and take one of the dozens that are drifting over there?

You still need an intergalactic hyperdrive to get there.

And is that really any harder to find than a super-rare naquadriah planet?

 

[Sindatur]

I like the Lucian Alliance Takes over Destiny thread (1.18 - 1.20).

Rush was great as a Spy, and it's always nice seeing him get knocked around

It's nice to Mike Dopud join the show and also nice to have Robert Kneffer around for a few episodes. Eli's cute redhead is the girl that shot the guy that took over for Kiva, right? She's a nice addition too.

Lots of little side stories that were entertaining Scott outside the ship and Eli and Chloe's quest.

And in 2.1 Intervention, poor TJ. The ship may have seen it as helping her cope, but, I'm not sure that was any better than facing the truth, and it helps her down her character slide, IMHO. I do like her relationship with the Mike Dopud character though, they work well together

 

[MacLeod]

But this time, knowing what is to come, I could see much more clearly that TJ's dream was all her wishing and desires culminating in her fear and body's knowledge the she no longer had the baby.

I always assumed TJ's dream was Destiny's computer implanting a dream into her head, much like it does later on in the season with Young and the battle scenarios. Except instead of testing Young's worth to be its commander, in this case Destiny is simply trying to give TJ something comforting to help her deal with the loss of her baby. TJ seeing the nebula from her dream at the end of the episode kind of helps back this up, Destiny used its image for TJ's dream to help sell the fantasy. Would have worked had Dr. Caine and his gang not returned. Alien gods can be such douchebags

So I am assuming when this was written they thought they might actually find the baby again, or leave it open ended forever?

I don't know, I would think that when the episode was written they had the first half of the season mapped, and Dr. Caine's return was in the first half. But who knows?

Throughout the whole Lucian Alliance tries to take Destiny storyline, the Lucian Alliance themselves come off as cartoony bad guys. Randomly killing minions for not being competent enough, brutally torturing their prisoners, Kiva with her "I'm not really a bad person, I just do bad things for my people" routine, the whole thing was pretty damn silly.

And why do the Lucian Alliance care so much about Destiny? Yeah, I know there's supposed to be legends and myths about the great treasures and rewards to be found at the other end of the Stargate when you dial the nine chevron address. But based on the conversation between Rush and Varo, the Alliance know damn well that the other end of the ninth chevron leads to a run-down starship on the ass-end of the universe. Yet they still want to make a play for it since it means getting an Ancient starship. If having an Ancient ship is so damn important, wouldn't it be easier to find a way over to the Pegasus galaxy and take one of the dozens that are drifting over there?

You still need an intergalactic hyperdrive to get there.

And is that really any harder to find than a super-rare naquadriah planet?

Well we've only seen four races possess intergalactic hyperdrives. The Ancients, The Ori, The Asgard and the Tau'ri.

Though given the Ancients were litterbugs it is possible here is still some of their tech left in the Milky-Way.

 

[The Wormhole]

Besides, according to Mallozzi, the Lucian Alliance was able to develop shields for their ships that can stand up to the Asgard weapons now employed by Earth ships. An intergalactic hyperdrive can't be that much harder.

 

[AJ86]

The stuff he posts on his blog isn't canon though. I remember early in Atlantis' run he said that a Zat wouldn't work on a Wraith. Then Teal'c showed up...

 

[bullethead]

Besides, according to Mallozzi, the Lucian Alliance was able to develop shields for their ships that can stand up to the Asgard weapons now employed by Earth ships. An intergalactic hyperdrive can't be that much harder.

Take Mallozzi's ideas with a huge grain of salt. If it weren't for the fact that the Lucian Alliance is a group of thugs without the necessary infrastructure to properly conduct the kind of R&D needed (not to mention a lack of people with the scientific knowledge required), I could buy that idea. But based on the evidence from the shows, the only way the Lucian Alliance outsmarts the Ori is having Baal pulling the strings.

It's way more plausible that one of the three Ha'tak managed to score a lucky hit on the Hammond and damaged the shield generators or something.

 

[Xerxus]

Is it that unlikely they found one of the hundreds of Anubis-enhanced Motherships that's in the galaxy? Especially since the free jaffa republic got destroyed by the Ori?

I recall those going toe to toe with the Asgard.

 

[The Wormhole]

Is it that unlikely they found one of the hundreds of Anubis-enhanced Motherships that's in the galaxy? Especially since the free jaffa republic got destroyed by the Ori?

I recall those going toe to toe with the Asgard.

True, one of those did destroy Thor's ship, but Anubis himself didn't feel confident enough at the end of that very episode to go up against O'Neill class ships. Presumably Earth ships now have firepower comparable to the O'Neill class, they can make short work of Ori warships and Wraith hiveships. Yeah, I guess it's possible one of the motherships got the jump on the Hammond and knocked the Asgard weapons offline with a lucky shot, but I hate the fact that that's always so easy to accomplish.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Especially since the free jaffa republic got destroyed by the Ori

Actually as of Continuum (which was before SGU) the free jaffa republic seems to be back seeing as their fleet was orbiting the Tok'ra home world incase Ba'al pulled something.

So getting their ships would have probably been problematic.

 

[Merlanthe]

So did you guys finish your Stargate Universe rewatch yet?

 

[Sindatur]

So did you guys finish your Stargate Universe rewatch yet?

I got tired of waiting on Teacake to get back to it, so, yea, I went ahead and finished, since she stopped about when the show actually became good