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STID: 10 years later

Amusingly, some fans were saying Wrath of Khan was a Star Wars-ripoff popcorn action flick back in 1982 ("Indiana Skywalker Meets the Son of Star Trek", Best of Trek #7). And many fans were deeply disappointed in The Empire Strikes Back as well in 1980 (see here for one such example. Many old SW 'zines are scanned and online now expressing similar sentiment). Ultimately, only time will tell - although I for one know I'll enjoy Star Trek and Into Darkness for many years to come.

I was ready to tear that The Empire Strikes Back reviewer a new one, albeit 33 years too late, for his wrongheaded opinion, but then he used the word "meretricious" in the opening sentence and I realized "I can't stay mad at you."

Though he did misspell "definitely".

reviewer said:
the script was puerile in the extreme - are these supposed to be sophisticated, mature people talking?

Just imagine his reaction to the prequels. Hoo boy! :rommie:
 
Into Darkness is a disposable blockbuster film that will be forgotten in 10 years.
Whether or not it's remembered fondly at ten years' distance is one question.

But forgotten - in a fandom which is still energetically hashing over continuity issues in "The Alternative Factor" or bemoaning the indignity of 'horsie' scene in "Plato's Stepchildren"? I wonder.
 
Into Darkness is a disposable blockbuster film that will be forgotten in 10 years.
Whether or not it's remembered fondly at ten years' distance is one question.

But forgotten - in a fandom which is still energetically hashing over continuity issues in "The Alternative Factor" or bemoaning the indignity of 'horsie' scene in "Plato's Stepchildren"? I wonder.

This.

It's been twenty-five years since The Final Frontier and we're still discussing the validity of Spock having a half-brother. :lol:
 
I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?
 
I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?

I think long-running franchise films are a bit different though. We're still here talking about the Star Wars prequels and the Next Generation films.
 
I'm honestly not sure any newer movie will be regarded as a classic the way Star Wars is now. New films, for all their awesome spectacle, are just too commonplace nowadays.

Even Avatar, the highest grossing movie of all time, probably won't stand the test of time. Does anybody even talk about Titanic or The Matrix anymore?

I think long-running franchise films are a bit different though. We're still here talking about the Star Wars prequels and the Next Generation films.

The only reason anybody still talks about the SW prequels is because of how shitty they were compared to the original Star Wars trilogy. If the OT didn't exist and we started with the PT, I guarantee nobody would be talking about them because they're just so damn forgettable.

As for TNG films, who exactly is still talking about them? We few nerds on a message board? They've hardly made an impact on the movie-going experience as a whole.
 
How can we say if something will be a classic in ten years time now? Unless somebody here is either a time traveler or a soothsayer there is no way to tell unless it's your own, subjective opinion.

As for mine, this has to be my favorite Trek movie next to TMP. So I will be enjoying it in 2113 and 2023!
 
What was a retread ? Apart from the Kirk death reversal scene ?

Are you kidding?

--Sran

What does it matter if they recycled a scene as long as they did it well? Which they did in my opinion.
Yep, they've been rehashing and remixing plots since season one.

STMP is the Changeling writ large.

TWOK is Balance of Terror meets Space Seed.

Most techonogod keeps civilization down stories are pretty much the same. Usually ending with Kirk blowing up a computer.
 
WoK reused the exact same launch sequence from TMP, yet it's still a classic. ID puts an interesting alternate-reality spin on a scene from WoK and it's unforgivably derivative? Please.
 
Those films were done well. That's the difference.

--Sran

I think if you look around you'll find quite a few people who think The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan aren't very good movies. I happen to like them both as well as Into Darkness.

Taste is subjective.
 
WoK reused the exact same launch sequence from TMP, yet it's still a classic. ID puts an interesting alternate-reality spin on a scene from WoK and it's unforgivably derivative? Please.

You're comparing a launch sequence that lasts mere seconds to one of the most important scenes of Into Darkness? Give me a break.

--Sran

If you're against reusing material then you should be against reusing material. :shrug:
 
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