The hero not meeting the villain happened in The Fifth Element, so it wasn't out of place in TWOK.
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The hero not meeting the villain happened in The Fifth Element, so it wasn't out of place in TWOK.
TWOK(1982) came before The Fifth Element(1997)...
Or a chance to end the most dangerous villain the world had ever seen. You are insisting on viewing this a certain way.
Also: Spock just lost BILLIONS of his kin. If you don't think this is going to affect your decisions, I don't know what to tell you.
They feel it's a MOVIE with a rousing ending for the villain.
Please don't try to conflate that with anything pertaining to reality. I laughed my ass off when I saw Hannibal Lecter show us a guy's exposed brain and eating it, in the second Lecter movie. I wouldn't find it funny in real life.
I don't think that was the point, there.
So, when you saw "Star Trek" (2009), and Nero got his comeuppance, your fellow cinema audience members all sat there, stunned, and murmuring, "Murderers! Murderers!"?
The point of that ep was that he was more of a noble savage, not a delusional, grief-stricken, vengeful whackjob like Nero.
Spock's key line in STXI: "No, not this time."
Spock wasn't gung ho about killing Khan because Khan's crimes were nothing in comparison to what Nero did. Even the killing of Pike, a friend and mentor of Spock, doesn't come close to the six billion Nero killed, including his mother.
Spock wasn't gung ho about killing Khan because Khan's crimes were nothing in comparison to what Nero did. Even the killing of Pike, a friend and mentor of Spock, doesn't come close to the six billion Nero killed, including his mother.
Anybody else thinking that Khan is still alive so he can come back in 15 years to unleash his wrath on Kirk?
Maybe he'll spend that time in a Spanish prison camp doing hard labor and get a nice tan.
The universe is still trying to correct itself, you know.
Maybe he'll spend that time in a Spanish prison camp doing hard labor and get a nice tan.
The universe is still trying to correct itself, you know.
I know it's the in-thing at the moment to shit on old Trek but I can't agree that STID ups TWOK by introducing movie cliches and removing the element that made TWOK unique.
The villain and the hero meeting up for traditional fisticuffs is bordering on the cliche these days, as is the villain 'using' the heroes (see The Dark Knight, The Avengers, Skyfall...)
TWOK would not nearly be so highly regarded if they all beamed down to a planet somewhere and had a punch up.
You are wrong.
Whose shitting on old Trek?
The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek Into Darkness are two films separated by thirty-plus years and different audience expectations. I watched TWOK after the second time I saw STiD and it is still an incredibly entertaining film.
Either Nero was going to be captured or destroyed by Kirk. They weren't going to take a chance on him slipping through another black hole and causing more havoc elsewhere.
As far as Spock knows, maybe, depending on what Spock Prime related in the Cliffs Notes call. I don't know if it's worth getting into a "who is the worse genocidal terrorist" contest between Nero and nuKhan. Khan just puts a little more intellectual pretention into his mass murder.
Great minds do think alike! This universe has set things closer to where I'd like them to be.
He has the long hair (minus the turban, which all male Sikhs must wear as a covenant of their faith) and in the novels written by Greg Cox, he's based in Amritsar and dresses like one. So yeah, he's most likely still ethnically Indian, but it's obvious (to me at least) that he had plastic surgery, since he's still a wanted war criminal.
He still is, but he's probably frozen, and about to be placed on a robot ship and sent to a distant planet (along with his 'family') so that he can live in peace away from the rest of humanity, hopefully. Just like at the end of 'Space Seed'.
The irony here is, if anyone (as you've implied) around here is qualified to ordain someone as Khan, it's Greg Cox. And he's one of Cumby's biggest advocates.
That should be a lesson to everyone else.
Ok, in what way is TWOK "unique", then ?
And I don't know how old you are, but this cliché you talked about is far from recent.
In that the protagonist and antagonist never actually meet up. Yes, there are other movies in which this happens but we're talking relative to other action/adventure movies.
Pretty much my point. In fact, it was cliché in 1982, hence TWOK's 'uniqueness' for breaking the mold.
You didn't specify that, but I wasn't expecting TWOK to be literally "unique" in any regard.
Hell, it was cliché in the 40s. So basically, that was my point. "These days" was misleading.
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