STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Amasov]

It was my understanding this is why the Enterprise was underwater.

 

[xortex]

I'm thinking that the real Trekkies did need a good smack in the face now.

 

[btflash]

great review. spot on! two thumbs up!

 

[Belz...]

I'm thinking that the real Trekkies did need a good smack in the face now.

Why ?

 

[FarStrider]

And Cumberbatch's Khan was - right from the start, and through to the end - dynamic, threatening, brilliant, and downright badass, all things that Montalban's Khan could never muster, despite the audience being told that he was supposed to be all of them. STID Khan actually WAS.


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It's an unpopular opinion among Trekkers, but actually, I completely agree with you. In many ways - CumberKhan was way, way, way more intimidating than MontalKhan ever was. You get the vibe of someone who is so beyond humanity that he thinks of us as ants. I loved it, it was a fresh take on khan and IMO it's a great way to approach a genetically engineered character. You really see how the Eugenics Wars would've posed a real threat to humanity. It feels real and palpable.

I kind of see MontalKhan and CumberKhan in some ways as two different characters. Each is how the same character would be envisioned if being written fresh in the era they were written in.

There was a little bit of cognitive dissonance for me though over trying to connect the name Khan Noonian Singh with very posh British white guy.

Given the history between Britain and India, and considering the facts that even today there are Oxford and Cambridge educated Indians who have a completely posh English accent, and that Sikhism is a religion that anyone (even pale white people) can be and have been baptized into -- all males who are Sikhs are all named Singh, while females are all named Kaur -- and not an ethnicity, plus the fact that even in TOS, McCoy was able to alter Kirk to look like a Romulan (an alien species), I have no problems imagining that Section 31 altered Khan's appearance when they woke him up, or handwave that he could have always been meant to look like John Harrison.

YMMV

~FS

 

[Belz...]

I have no problems imagining that Section 31 altered Khan's appearance when they woke him up, or handwave that he could have always been meant to look like John Harrison.

Interesting take on it.

 

[Xaios]

While you've got your screenwriting hat on, can you venture an explanation as to why they hid the ship in the flippin' ocean in the first place? I like it, it looked cool, and it established just how powerful the Enterprise is, making the beating it took from the Vengeance even more impressive, but I'm at a loss as to what the in-universe rationale is. Did Kirk do it just because he could?

"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I CAN do."

 

[BillJ]

http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-admits-the-star-trek-nudity-was-gratuit-508967420

Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.

 

[Belz...]

"I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. I only know what I CAN do."

That's such a great line, I think. I'm glad it made it into the movie. Several of the lines from the trailers were absent or different.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Let's hear it for "gratuitous."

 

[Belz...]

What do you mean ?

 

[BillJ]

What do you mean ?

Lindelof called the Carol Marcus underwear scene 'gratuitous'. It's linked in a post of mine above.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What do you mean ?

Khan: "Surely, I have made my meaning plain."

 

[Amaris]

I don't even consider it that gratuitous. Considering some of the costumes William Ware Theiss had on his lovely ladies in TOS, regular underwear isn't exactly pushing the edge.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

PushUps: Standard military issue... of the FUTUUUURE!

 

[Titus Andronicus]

Well, there is this response to think about as well:

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/201...sexism-and-why-genre-fiction-gets-no-respect/

 

[Borgminister]

Making mountains out of molehills..

 

[BillJ]

Making mountains out of molehills..

I don't even count it as a molehill compared to what Trek has given us in the past.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Making mountains out of molehills..

It's got Viagra beat.

So to speak.

 

[Amaris]

Making mountains out of molehills..

Ha!

Anyhoo, I expect people to always make big issues out of non-existent ones. Star Trek has taken advantage of sexual opportunity as any other genre franchise, so this is nothing new. As I mentioned earlier, compared to some of the outfits William Ware Theiss has displayed on always lovely ladies in the original series (and TNG), underwear is extremely tame.

Well, there is this response to think about as well:

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/201...sexism-and-why-genre-fiction-gets-no-respect/

There have been times when the men have been made into meat racks (though it is certainly more rare). I wonder how often she complained about those incidents?