STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Ryan8bit]

It's just the basic problem of reboots that fuck with the originals. THAT "confuses the general audience".

No.
If people can keep track of all the reboots/restarts in the comic-book universes, they will have no problem with two versions of Star Trek.

Yeah, the two timelines are different enough that they won't be confused. Now, there are folks who aren't too familiar with Star Trek, and they might be a bit confused (understandable, of course), but most folks should get it okay, or at the least, a little exposition will take care of that.

Yeah, I think my wife is in that latter group. Like she doesn't care enough to make distinctions about alternate timelines or different stories. I just had to explain that these two new movies are a reboot like how the new Batman movies are a reboot.

And I know that we feel like that's a small percentage of people, but I think that's because we're people posting on a message board with other people who are just a bit more hardcore. I saw several people walking out of the theater explaining things to their confused looking wives, and it was somewhat amusing.

And I've seen similar things crop up several times before with something like Terminator, which has had it's share of alternate timeline style reboots. People come around asking the same questions like, "Where is John's wife Kate?" Or, "What happened to the Terminator played by Summer Glau?" Because they only peripherally pay attention. I feel that these people are more common than we think.

 

[speckledpig]

Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?

 

[ConRefit79]

Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?

Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09

 

[Amaris]

Something I haven't been able to figure out -- did Harrison/Khan beam *directly* to Kronos, or did he have a ship?

Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09

Yes, because regular transporters are so within the field of plausibility.

"My magic unicorn flies me to the moon!"

"My magic unicorn flies me to Alpha Centauri!"

"Alpha Centauri? Oh now you're just being silly!"

 

[speckledpig]

Unfortunately he beamed there. He stole the Transwarp Beaming BS tech from ST:09

Ah, I figured as much -- Jar Jar Abrams strikes again. :-/

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Yeah, who says that? Even the people I know who LOVE ST09, to a man, think that's a stupid scene.

I don't think it's a stupid scene. I thought it was amusing.

I thought that it was stupid and amusing.

 

[Caligula]

One day removed from having seen it, I can honestly say that the only complaints I can come away with are these:

1) Michael Giacchino is no James Horner. Only his main "Star Trek" theme is memorable (that and the original "Star Trek" theme that plays at the end credits). Additionally, what Horner was able to do with his scores for The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock was to present them as an additional character in the story. When no dialogue was being spoken, the music would augment (ha ha) the emotions the characters were feeling. In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.

2) The new-ish look for the Klingons. The helmets look like something that belongs on a Predator, and once said helmets are removed, every Klingon depicted looks indistinguishable from the next. That's fine for something like the Jem'Hadar, but not the Klingons. That was what was so great about the Klingon look from TMP to Enterprise, that no one Klingon looked exactly like another. Here, I wouldn't be able to tell Kang from Koloth. Perhaps Star Trek 3 will prove otherwise.

That being said, it was the most fun I'd had with a Star Trek movie at the theater (I've only been able to see them on the big screen since The Final Frontier). It's also my second favorite Trek film overall, bested by only The Wrath of Khan. Cumberbatch was excellent, as was Peter Weller... who hasn't been in this good a movie since playing the titular role in the first RoboCop. The main cast has really grown into their respective roles, even Simon Pegg (who underwhelmed me in '09) as Scotty. Zachary Quinto has been great as both a distinguishably different and yet familiar Spock. I look forward to hopefully seeing Alice Eve as Carol Marcus one more time in Star Trek 3!

 

[ConRefit79]

Yes, because regular transporters are so within the field of plausibility.

Well actually they may not work exactly as Trek says, but scientists are working on it. But what they're working on sounds more like the duplicate at a remote location then destroy the original. They've successfully "beamed" photons in the lab so far.

And they're working on Warp drive. In the 90's A physicist from Mexico came up when a formula for warp drive. But it required too much power to work. But recently they've found if you create the field in a certain way it may be doable.

 

[Crazyewok]

That was one of my minor quibbles is that it took only a few minutes to get from Earth to Quo nos (ITS SPELT WITH A Q DAMMIT !!!!) but the then its not really a sin confined to JJ Abraham's is it?

Im ok with the magic blood due to augment treatment being used to transform Bashir from retard into Genius. So it has already been kinda established.

As for the Vengeance only having a crew of one it was started that if NESSARY it could be crewed by one not that one was the optimal number of crew.

Transwarp beaming? against if I remember correctly section 31 had this tec in DS9 to get agents on and off stations.
It could be argued that this tec was considered a huge security risk and as such suppressed in case it fell into the hands of the Klingons or Romulans. It could also be risky too hence why its not widely adopted.

 

[Caligula]

(ITS SPELT WITH A Q DAMMIT !!!!)

I let that pass as soon as I saw it, because I figure it's done that way for the same reason that Romulans were bald with facial tattoos in the previous film. The thought being that if you don't spell "Qu'Onos" the way it sounds, then the general audience (i.e. non-Trekkies) won't get it. Just like making the Romulans distinguishable in appearance from Vulcans allows you to skip a certain amount of exposition about the shared history of the two races and just get on with the parts of the story that are directly connected to the story you're trying to tell.

Not that I completely agree with either decision, but I've seen Trek film screenwriters commit worse offenses, and I can at least rationalize these choices.

 

[RAMA]

http://www.trektoday.com/content/2013/05/star-trek-after-darkness-2/



For fans hungry for more after seeing Star Trek into Darkness, a new comic debuting later this month will be of interest.

IDW Publishing‘s Star Trek after Darkness will continue the story after Star Trek into Darkness.

Star Trek after Darkness is written by Mike Johnson, illustrated by Erfan Fajar, and overseen by Roberto Orci.

“You’ll see immediately on the first page of [the story] that it’s very much a sequel in terms of plot,” said Johnson. “Things happen in the movie that can’t be ignored going forward, and we will see the repercussions play out over the months to come. It’s also a character-based sequel, as we see how the crew reacts to the events of the movie, and what it means for their relationships going forward.”

“You can read the comics as a lead-in to the movies, and then come back to the comics after you see the movies and feel like the story is continuing seamlessly,” said Johnson. “This is really possible thanks to Bob Orci godfathering the comics creatively, ensuring that it all feels like one big story playing out across different media.

 

[T J]

In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.

100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...

 

[Belz...]

2) The new-ish look for the Klingons. The helmets look like something that belongs on a Predator, and once said helmets are removed, every Klingon depicted looks indistinguishable from the next

T'was always so, methinks.

 

[ConRefit79]

In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.

100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...

Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?

 

[Caligula]

In the "homage scene" for example, Giacchino provides NO music. At all.

100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...

Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?

Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.

 

[ConRefit79]

Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.

Agreed. My favorite track on the ST:TWOK soundtrack is Genesis Countdown.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The official spelling is Kronos.

 

[LitmusDragon]

I haven't read this entire 219 page thread but was there some kind of explanation how Khan's men ended up in the torpedoes other than he snuck them in there? That's the one part that didn't make a lot of sense to me. So Khan is working on these torpedos by himself? In a room full of cryo tubes?

I rated it a "B", a solid Trek outing and I'd like to see more films of this type. The original ST 2009 had the "newness" factor that put it in "A" territory for me.

 

[cbspock]

One thing I really think worked well in both movies was having Pike as Kirk's mentor. We never got to see Capt. Garrovick in the original series but Kirk had similiar reactions to their deaths.


-Chris

 

[beamMe]

100% agree... in WOK Kirk was running thru the ship with that wonderful score playing, tugging at your heart strings. In Into Darkness we heard Spocks shoes go clickity clack...

Is it completely up to the composer where to add music? Or could this be the directors and or producers choice?

Regardless of whose choice it is, I just think the scene works better with that swelling score that accentuates Kirk's sense of panic in TWOK.

Sometimes a good performance doesn't need music to carry it.