STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.

granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.

Hopefully, this incident brings them out of the shadows and Starfleet disbands them when people find out they exist.

I expect a very public disbanding may a part of Section 31's plans. Marcus is far too easy with throwing around Section 31's name, even if he did think those he told were never coming back. How does he know they didn't send off an email about it prior to their planned deaths?

But if it disbands there will be speeches full of Roddenberry ideals about not losing what makes us human as we try and preserve humanity blah blah and everyone will pat themselves on the back and Section 31 will continue, more covert than ever.

 

[Phily B]

which is like what? Black Ops?

What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.

granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.

they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.

 

[indianatrekker26]

i saw it again tonight, with a packed sold out theater. Something didn't even hit me before. I now know how Spock Prime told NuSpock how they beat Khan. Once again, Khan is taken out by a torpedo. Of all the Trek II references, that one went completely over my head the first time.

 

[Brent]

Seen the movie twice now, A+

It is better than the first one, the issues I had with the first one are mostly gone, still some slight issues with the bud wiser plant stuff, but much improved over the first one. That's my only complaint really. I felt this movie had more substance, and a better story. I also enjoyed the myriad of filming locations and scenes this time. I really liked the parts off the ship, on Earth, very nicely done. I enjoyed making the Enterprise a star of the show, like it is an actual character to the show. I enjoyed all the homages of course.

Yep, much better than the first one, I'll be seeing it a couple more times at least, plan to go see it with my sister and a friend tomorrow, can't wait to see their reactions.

 

[DaveyNY]

What it is morally is debatable. Many in Section 31 believe they are they are doing everything they can for the Federation, a Federation that is a child compared to them and needs to be managed from the shadows for its own good. Others are probably getting off on the secrecy and self importance. And like in any organization some are probably there for personal gain, not money in this century but information and influence.

Marcus appears to be motivated by an ideology of war, go on the offensive now because of the inevitability of being attacked. Vulcan was pacifist and look where it got them.

granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.

they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.

It seemed to me that Marcus himself, started Section-31, after he found Khan in this Trek Universe.

Up to the point that the Narada showed up, it didn't seem likely that Section-31 would have been needed, again, in the JJ-universe.

 

[Brent]

granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.

they operate outside of federation/starfleet jurisdiction and recruit/influence people like marcus.

It seemed to me that Marcus himself, started Section-31, after he found Khan in this Trek Universe.

I think it existed before, he just took over it now, i.e. the man in charge right now. It sounded like to me it was there before him from this movie.

 

[Ovation]

Nah. 31 is around in Enterprise. They get their hooks into Reed.

 

[Count Zero]

Well, since Enterprise is the only series still existing in this universe I would go with what was established on that show about Section 31 unless it was directly contradicted on screen. Section 31 actually predates the Federation.

ETA: Damn, you're all too fast for me.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Section 31 is around right now.

 

[Ovation]

Shh!!! You'll blow our cov…oops. I've said too much already.

 

[HaventGotALife]

LOL ^^^^

 

[mattman8907]

did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?

 

[Amaris]

did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?

Ironic? No. It wouldn't be irony. It is a nice little tidbit of trivia, though.

 

[mattman8907]

did anyone find it a little ironic that when Kirk's five year mission ends it will be around the same time in the "Prime" reality, Kirk started his?

Ironic? No. It wouldn't be irony. It is a nice little tidbit of trivia, though.

yeah it just kinda came to me.

 

[Lord Garth]

I saw Star Trek Into Darkness. I thought the 2009 film was better.

 

[mattman8907]

i was just online and apparently there is going to a 4-part prequel comic coming out detailing the life of one John Harrison, who we know to be one Khan Noonien Singh. so all those questions you fine folks have been asking will finally be answered. you can read more at:

www.thetrekcollective.com/2013/05/comics-round-up-after-darkness-august.html

 

[Finn]

There's a lot of the voice over in the trailers that doesn't appear in the movie. Either they trimmed a scene or two, or the dialogue was written for the trailer.

Certainly Pike's dialogue in the trailers isn't lifted from his scenes - the gist is the same, but different wording and attitude.

Just saw the movie. I had the impression that a scene or two was deleted from early in the movie.

 

[Tai]

granted the federation is still relatively new (they were what? a hundred years old by the end of Into Darkness?) but still section 31 should have been disbanded. it cause nothing but trouble.

Hopefully, this incident brings them out of the shadows and Starfleet disbands them when people find out they exist.

I expect a very public disbanding may a part of Section 31's plans. Marcus is far too easy with throwing around Section 31's name, even if he did think those he told were never coming back. How does he know they didn't send off an email about it prior to their planned deaths?

But if it disbands there will be speeches full of Roddenberry ideals about not losing what makes us human as we try and preserve humanity blah blah and everyone will pat themselves on the back and Section 31 will continue, more covert than ever.

^This is brilliant.

To layer the conspiracy even further one could picture a Section 31 that saw Marcus getting a little too power hungry and decided to cut Khan loose to expose him and have the problem take care of itself.

If a war with the Klingons ensued as a result of the chaos, then that's what they wanted all along anyway.

 

[mattman8907]

There's a lot of the voice over in the trailers that doesn't appear in the movie. Either they trimmed a scene or two, or the dialogue was written for the trailer.

Certainly Pike's dialogue in the trailers isn't lifted from his scenes - the gist is the same, but different wording and attitude.

Just saw the movie. I had the impression that a scene or two was deleted from early in the movie.

im going to snatch the novel on tuesday. see what was missing from the movie.

 

[Tai]

I'm wondering about the motives of Section 31 and how it relates to the third film. On reflection it seems that the Klingons would be the obvious choice of villians in the next film. They have every justification to declare war on the Federation given that Starfleet agents violated their space, landed on their homeworld, murdered dozens of their men and destroyed 3 ships.

Could you imagine if a Klingon raiding party just beamed down to Australia and killed a bunch of people in retaliation and just left?

Kirk's actions in this movie alone seems like provocation enough for the Klingons.