STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Nah, that's too literal. I think the writers just intended an homage to the character in Carol's adoption of the name.

Or maybe Kirk nailed one of Carol's cousins and that's what she knows of his "reputation."

yeah I'm thinking that's it. A cousin

Wasn't the cousin named Christine Chapel though?

There are MANY women.. and their cousins. And their sisters. And their moms.

 

[Squiggy]

JJ If I want to Watch Khan done Right I'll watch the original, I have about 42 times already I'd like to see some originality...

Apparently not.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

JJ If I want to Watch Khan done Right I'll watch the original, I have about 42 times already I'd like to see some originality...

Apparently not.

I know most disagree but I always thought TWOK was clunky and over rated.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

I Invite eeryone[sic] to go back and watch the original Khan from Spock's Death thru to his Funeral scene and shoot down to the genesis planet and see how Real Trek Moves you, right down to playing Amazing Grace for Spock as he in Death finds his humanity.

Sorry, have seen that dozens of times (I own a copy, of course) and know it well. You exaggerate its virtues far beyond the modest sentimental impact of the thing (and "Amazing Grace" evoked a couple of groans from the opening night crowd at KB MacArthur in June of 1982 - puh-lease).

That has no bearing at all on how good this movie is - and it's very, very good. It's as much "Real Trek" as that thirty year-old, good but limited film was. Frankly, most of these actors are better than most of those actors and they're allowed to show more range.

Oh Good God I'll take Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly any day over any of these new actors, i like how the originals are being marginlized now.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Marginalized?

Yeah you are so right, Shatner should have starred in this film.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

TWOK is a brilliant film, within limits. It's probably the only Trek film of the 1979-1992 period other than possibly ST 4 that's really remembered by non-trekkies. I think the script, the direction and the production design all maximize the very circumscribed resources with which it was made - and it's for that reason as much as any other that it comes closest of any of them to representing the essence of the original TV series.

...I'll take Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly any day over any of these new actors.

You go right ahead and do that.

 

[Jolaris]

I Invite eeryone[sic] to go back and watch the original Khan from Spock's Death thru to his Funeral scene and shoot down to the genesis planet and see how Real Trek Moves you, right down to playing Amazing Grace for Spock as he in Death finds his humanity.

Sorry, have seen that dozens of times (I own a copy, of course) and know it well. You exaggerate its virtues far beyond the modest sentimental impact of the thing (and "Amazing Grace" evoked a couple of groans from the opening night crowd at KB MacArthur in June of 1982 - puh-lease).

That has no bearing at all on how good this movie is - and it's very, very good. It's as much "Real Trek" as that thirty year-old, good but limited film was. Frankly, most of these actors are better than most of those actors and they're allowed to show more range.

Oh Good God I'll take Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly any day over any of these new actors, i like how the originals are being marginlized now.

Shatner? Maybe. But he's the Shat he'll survive it.
Nimoy? Since Spock Prime was essential to the resolution of the movie, not so much.
Kelley? Considering how much Carl Urban was channeling him in STiD I think he is smiling in whatever place he is now.

 

[T'Bonz]

Dennis:

I know, right? You think YOU were surprised? So was I!

I may have to turn in my cynic card now...


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Agent Richard07:

Kirk's death at the end rang hollow. We haven't spent enough time with these characters to really appreciate a moment like that. It looked exactly like what they were trying to do… Ape The Wrath of Khan. Plus who didn't know that Khan's blood would save the day?

- I hated Kirk last movie. The death scene made me cry (also cried when they killed off Pike...BASTARDS....he was so friggin' hot. )

- Um, er, I missed that. My husband said he knew, but I was going, "They can't kill off Kirk, can they? There's another movie, right?"

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I loved McCoy. He's just as good as the original and I'm a big fan of DeForest Kelley.

How the fuck did I miss a Mudd reference? FUCK...where was it?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I find TWOK clunky and erratic.

I do of course own it and have seen it at least 20 times. And I do prefer Montalban to Cumberbatch in the role but that is 100% on the writers not the acting. Give Cumberbatch more development, more to do! Hopefully we get that next time around.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I hated Kirk last movie. The death scene made me cry (also cried when they killed off Pike...BASTARDS....he was so friggin' hot. )

I will be interested to know if you find Kirk in 09 more appealing after this one. And yeah Pike was SO HOT ! I was really enjoying just staring at him.

- Um, er, I missed that. My husband knew but I was going, "They can't kill off Kirk, can they? There's another movie, right?"

I actually did wonder if they were going to do it for reals, if this was XII's Vulcan. It upset me.

 

[Jolaris]

Dennis:

I know, right? You think YOU were surprised? So was I!

I may have to turn in my cynic card now...


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Agent Richard07:

Kirk's death at the end rang hollow. We haven't spent enough time with these characters to really appreciate a moment like that. It looked exactly like what they were trying to do… Ape The Wrath of Khan. Plus who didn't know that Khan's blood would save the day?

- I hated Kirk last movie. The death scene made me cry (also cried when they killed off Pike...BASTARDS....he was so friggin' hot. )

- Um, er, I missed that. My husband said he knew, but I was going, "They can't kill off Kirk, can they? There's another movie, right?"

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I loved McCoy. He's just as good as the original and I'm a big fan of DeForest Kelley.

How the fuck did I miss a Mudd reference? FUCK...where was it?

Yeah, I don't think I ever cried to a Star Trek movie before, and one second later I was laughing out loud.

They got hold of that freighter they used to get onto Qo'nos during "The Mudd Incident", it was just before he talked to Mr. Cupcake if I am not mistaken.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

How the fuck did I miss a Mudd reference? FUCK...where was it?

Sulu has a voice-over ordering the crew to prepare "the cargo vessel left aboard after the Mudd incident" for Kirk, Spock and Uhura's use to go after Khan on Kronos.

The Countdown To Darkness comic claims that it belonged to another Mudd, but that's not part of onscreen canon and can be ignored.

 

[Phily B]

Yeah, as they're walking down and just before they talk to cupcake they say something about the mudd incident, I missed it too first time.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Why the heck would they have it be another Mudd?

Also Cupcake has lost a lot of weight.

 

[controlfreak]

Solid A. The characterizations were pitch perfect. Though I would have preferred it not to be a Khan story, I did like how they did it and they did it well.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

And I do prefer Montalban to Cumberbatch in the role but that is 100% on the writers not the acting. Give Cumberbatch more development, more to do! Hopefully we get that next time around.

I think that Khan's speech in his cell describing how Marcus used threats to his "family" to control him was stronger, more human dramatic material to work with than all the "beloved wife" and Melville-quoting "from Hell's heart I stab at thee!" that Montalban was given to chew on.

 

[Jolaris]

I haven't read the comic so I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that it was Mudd's daughter?

 

[Phily B]

I really like how they sort of make Khan understandable and likeable that you forget he is a genocidal maniac until Old Spock reminds you of it haha..

 

[M'Sharak]

One of Kirk's flings? HE FLUNG WITH CAROL'S MOM?!

Nah, that's too literal. I think the writers just intended an homage to the character in Carol's adoption of the name.

I also recall someone mentioning that an early draft of the Wrath of Khan script had Janet Wallace in what would eventually be revised to become the Carol Marcus part.