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7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

Grade "Nightmare in Silver"

  • Excellent!

    Votes: 21 18.8%

  • Great

    Votes: 46 41.1%

  • Average

    Votes: 36 32.1%

  • DELETE!

    Votes: 6 5.4%

  • "Iron Man 3" was better"

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • Total voters
    112
  • Poll closed .
1)Asylum of the Daleks
2)The Angels Take Manhattan
3)Nightmare in Silver
4)The Rings of Akhaten
5)The Bells of Saint John
6)The Snowmen
7)Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
8)Cold War
9)The Power of Three
10)Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
11)The Crimson Horror
12)Hide
13)A Town Called Mercy

Shockingly, I wouldn't call any of these terrible, unlike the last two years. "Hide" and "Mercy" were so-so but still enjoyable.
 
Slugboy said:
Kitty Worrier said:
Could be that he now realizes his attraction, or a bit of the CyberPlanner is coming through. :)
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Perhaps. After all, the CyberPlanner did threaten to "strip [her] down" for spare parts. :p
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lol

Maybe the CyperPlanner rubbed off on the Doctor, and he's no longer in denial. :)

I thought this episode was fun. Sure, the girl was annoying as hell, but I think she was supposed to be annoying.
 
Kitty Worrier said:
I thought this episode was fun. Sure, the girl was annoying as hell, but I think she was supposed to be annoying.
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Indeed. Also, it didn't help that some of the dialogue the girl was given was pretty bizarre. After she gets snatched away, at high speed, by a terrifying, hulking cyborg, what does she say? "Please don't hurt me!"? "Help!"? No, she says: "Put me down! I hate you!" Not exactly the most realistic bit of dialogue. :lol:
 
I liked it.

Does anybody find it strange to complain about ripping of the borg when they were a rip off of the Cybermen originally? The Cybermen were from the 60s. How could they rip off something from the 90s?

I liked the more able Cybermen, but no matter how spiffy they become, The Doctor is always going to beat them, so how much more dangerous can they really be? We aren't going to see him killed or absorbed, like the Cybercontroller attempted to do, so they will always be the same threat level.

I first started watching with Tom Baker, he's still my favorite, but I really liked all three of the new Doctors. I really think it's a sort of hobby for some fans to bitch unceasingly, but I like most of what I've seen. But Clara's "Impossible Girl" act is becoming wearysome. If they just let her be a regular companion, she'd be fine.
 
Marsden said:
Does anybody find it strange to complain about ripping of the borg when they were a rip off of the Cybermen originally? The Cybermen were from the 60s. How could they rip off something from the 90s?
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To be fair, they've copied each other by this point. The upgrading thing wasn't with the Cybermen originally.
 
I might have missed it since the episode wasn't interesting to me but is it explained how the Cybermen were able to upgrade to the super speedy type?
 
That episode was set thousands and thousands of years in the future, ipso facto the Cyberrace had been upgrading for thousands and thousands of years.

You can say that the Cybermen originally achieved perfection and decided that that was it.

However, there have been so many wardrobe redesigns over the years.

That it's possible to deduce that each of those wardrobe redesigns were a massive and fundamental upgrade.

Upgrades used to probably have to come from the cybercontroller level and only then effect the next generation of Cybermen being produced from the factories.
 
I thought it was decent, but unfortunately not the pure awesome I was expecting from Gaiman. The highlight of the episode for me was the Doctor and the Cyber Planner's battle for control of the Doctor's mind. Warwick Davis was also excellent as the Emperor, though to be honest I'd guessed his true identity fairly early on. As for the kids, I didn't mind Artie, but I thought Angie was annoying as hell.

As for my rankings of this season/series/whatever you want to call it...

1. Asylum of the Daleks
2. The Angels Take Manhattan
3. The Snowmen
4. The Bells of Saint John
5. The Crimson Horror
6. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
7. The Power of Three
8. Nightmare in Silver
9. Cold War
10. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
11. Hide
12. A Town Called Mercy
13. The Rings of Akhaten
 
The Mirrorball Man said:
Daleks

are perfect

Cybermen

are not. They constantly

improve, change, evolve, modify themselves in order to

survive.

Jackanapes.
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Daleks evolved. Changed, grew. Wondered why they sucked and chose to devolve into a more pure description of the species. The new old Daleks looked on the monsters now calling themselves Daleks and exterminated them.

They fight evolution and win.
 
Saul said:
I might have missed it since the episode wasn't interesting to me but is it explained how the Cybermen were able to upgrade to the super speedy type?
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Basically, after thousands of years fighting humans (and their improving technology), they upgraded their technology. These Cybermen are much superior to those of old. That's basically it.
 
Allyn Gibson said:
This is interesting -- Neil Gaiman's first draft used the Victorian Clara as she, not "modern" Clara, was intended to be the Doctor's companion.
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Yea, originally Jenna Louise Coleman started in The Snowmen, and then they decided to write her into Asylum of the Daleks and had to do some rewrites to The Snowmen. So, I imagine, the inclusion of Oswin in Asylum of the Daleks, led to having her die again in The Snowmen, which prompted a rewrite to update Clara to modern Clara in Nightmare in Silver.
 
Interesting. For what it's worth, having her die twice is more dramatic than just once. Otherwise, she could have just died at the end of her time with the Doctor rather than living separate lives.

I wonder if it was the Victorian kids who were supposed to be in the episode.
 
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