STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I agree, the madness may not have been something the regenerating blood could fix.

Maybe the regenerating blood is even the cause of Khan's madness.. and what will this mean for James Kirk?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Was anyone else expecting the tribble to give birth when it came back to life? It certainly looked pregnant.

 

[donners22]

I agree, the madness may not have been something the regenerating blood could fix.

Maybe the regenerating blood is even the cause of Khan's madness.. and what will this mean for James Kirk?

That was the very thrust of a question from Bones (albeit lightheartedly), as I recall. Liked the response too - a pseudo Trouble with Tribbles reference.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Another thing has just crossed my mind: Khan was found and revived less than a year prior to STID, and in that relatively short time period he became what he did become? He basically woke up 300 in the future and immediately became a top agent of Section 31 and a starship/weapons designer? Superior intellect or not, but that seems a bit fast. On the other hand, if people can go straight from Cadet to Captain after three years at the academy ... I guess anything is possible.

 

[T'Girl]

Newspaper movie review of Into Darkness

Obviously contains spoilers.

The Independent (a British newspaper) has reviewed Star Trek Into Darkness, if anyone is interested. The reviewers opinion comes down to "Star Trek Into Darkness gets the job done without ever threatening to raise one’s pulse."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ill-underwhelm-even-the-trekkies-8609801.html

For those who dislike reading things in a narrow column, here it is in a more normal format.

Spoiler: easier on the eyes.

The cheers and whoops that greeted the 2009 relaunch of the Star Trek series contained in them, I thought, a big bass note of relief. For JJ Abrams had taken on the tricky task not only of appeasing a notoriously judgemental fanbase but of winning over a new generation of cinemagoers to whom a 1960s cult TV serial meant virtually squat.

Abrams’s film was respectful of but not slavish towards the tradition, acknowledging its epic proportions without pretending that any of it was Homer. Some smart casting and a better than average script ensured that intergalactic harmony was promisingly established between old school and new.

<snip> [Please don't reproduce entire articles. Cite relevant bits and provide a link to the rest. - M']

 

[Pindar]

Well I cant pretend to have read 90 plus pages of this thread but I skimmed a few.

I loved this film, miles better than the last one.

I was watching with glee when they did the reveresed TWOK scenes imagining the fan angst it would cause.

Wrath of Khan isn't just my favourite Trek film it's my favourite film full stop.

I thought they pulled the homage off brilliantly and enjoyed every minute of it, I 'll be going again soon.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I thought they pulled the homage off brilliantly and enjoyed every minute of it, I 'll be going again soon.

I think they had overdone the TWOK hommages already, not only in nuTrek. But this one was too much. "No more references to TWOK" will be on the top of my wishlist for the next movie.

If I have to hear yet another "the needs of the many" speech or another "I've alwas been and always shall be your friend", I'm gonna freak out! And please, no more "Khaaaaan" ... please never do that again!

 

[F. King Daniel]

I agree, the madness may not have been something the regenerating blood could fix.

Maybe the regenerating blood is even the cause of Khan's madness.. and what will this mean for James Kirk?

That's exactly what I was thinking at the end of the movie. It would make for an interesting STXIII.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I agree, the madness may not have been something the regenerating blood could fix.

Maybe the regenerating blood is even the cause of Khan's madness.. and what will this mean for James Kirk?

That's exactly what I was thinking at the end of the movie. It would make for an interesting STXIII.

I think it was more his live on Ceti Alpha V made Khan the vengeful madman we saw in TWOK. I'm sure it had nothing to do with his blood.

Or did you mean nuKhan? I don't think he was exactly mad, either. But it would make for an interesting story if they followed up on that in the next movie.

Speaking of a follow up: Is it just me or did the scene with Khan and his augments in the cryochambers near the end of the movie just scream for a tv series to continue their story?

 

[topas]

Another thing has just crossed my mind: Khan was found and revived less than a year prior to STID, and in that relatively short time period he became what he did become? He basically woke up 300 in the future and immediately became a top agent of Section 31 and a starship/weapons designer? Superior intellect or not, but that seems a bit fast. On the other hand, if people can go straight from Cadet to Captain after three years at the academy ... I guess anything is possible.

Augments are fast learners and highly adaptive, it would seem.

The original gang from TWOK was a bunch of people from 1990's, who after spending 300 years in stasis were isolated on Ceti Alpha. Before being put on the Botany Bay (as frozen cargo) they had no idea of space travel, I suppose. Yet - it was no trouble at all for them to comandeer a Miranda class starship and take it to war.

In ENT the augments comandeer a Bird Of Prey, make repairs to it and take it into battle against the Klingons and NX-01. One has to asume that Soong tought them Klingonese before, as they don't have any trouble in operating the ship, an alien ship. Again, it's all guys from the 1990's.

In the mirror episodes of ENT the NX crew, 22nd century people experienced in space had no idea how to assemble the Defiant, merely 100 years more advanced than what they already knew of warp drive and the rest of the technology (Tucker's line about him feeling like he was an engineer from a steamship etc.)

 

[Pindar]

I thought they pulled the homage off brilliantly and enjoyed every minute of it, I 'll be going again soon.

I think they had overdone the TWOK hommages already, not only in nuTrek. But this one was too much. "No more references to TWOK" will be on the top of my wishlist for the next movie.

If I have to hear yet another "the needs of the many" speech or another "I've alwas been and always shall be your friend", I'm gonna freak out! And please, no more "Khaaaaan" ... please never do that again!

Well it's all down to personal taste, I thought Spock's Khhaaaaaan was hillarious.

 

[Phily B]

I'm not sure Kirk gets super powers or regenerative capabilities from the blood, remember they couldn't get any from the tribal for example.

 

[Michael]

If I have to hear yet another "the needs of the many" speech or another "I've alwas been and always shall be your friend", I'm gonna freak out! And please, no more "Khaaaaan" ... please never do that again!

Yeah, that was actually bugging me since the first movie. Them using those catchphrases gets really old. It just makes it seem like the writers can't come up with iconic phrases on their own.

Well it's all down to personal taste, I thought Spock's Khhaaaaaan was hillarious.

Yep, and hilarious is exactly what I want the pivotal emotional climax of my movie to be.

Not.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm guessing he somehow stole John Harrison's identity and built on what someone else had already started.

 

[Pingfah]

I gave it a B+.

Would have been some sort of an A based purely on the performances and the general thrust of the movie, which I thoroughly enjoyed, but I marked it down for the constant parody/tributes to TWOK and old trek in general.

 

[MrPointy]

I don't know why, but I liked seeing that the Klingons blew up Praxis earlier.

 

[beamMe]

I'm guessing he somehow stole John Harrison's identity and built on what someone else had already started.

John Harrison popped up one year before the movie's events.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I don't know why, but I liked seeing that the Klingons blew up Praxis earlier.

How do we know that was Praxis?

 

[BillJ]

(I can't believe that, out of all of the potential objections, people are focusing on a continuity error between films separated by 30 years, rather than this being yet another dumbass get-out-of-death-free reset button. For Pete's sake, can't anyone in Star Trek stay dead?)

This.

Is you're going to play the "death" card, have the guts to stand by it.

 

[beamMe]

I don't know why, but I liked seeing that the Klingons blew up Praxis earlier.

How do we know that was Praxis?

In one or two novels and in STO it's mentioned as a Kronos moon.