STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[StarTrek1701]

Maybe someone upthread has posted this but as of this post, STID is at 100% after 7 very different positive reviews!!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

 

[mattman8907]

its now down to 88%

 

[StarMan]

Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/10032429/Star-Trek-into-Darkness-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?

 

[donners22]

Must admit, this line made me laugh:

Together they have come up with a very clever sleight-of-hand: all of the narrative cracks are papered over with references to old Star Trek characters and episodes. 'Hang on a minute,' you find yourself thinking, 'that doesn’t make sen ... oh look, a Tribble.' The malevolent genius of this is best appreciated in a cinema filled with confirmed Star Trek fans, who will dutifully whoop and applaud a familiar alien while the film quietly pulls off another dubious plot manoeuvre under their noses.

 

[DarthTom]

Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not. "Joto mot toto poth" is an old Hindu saying in Bengal (in India). It means essentially.... yes, IDIC.

From Memory Alpha

The invention of the IDIC by Gene Roddenberry caused friction between him and Leonard Nimoy, who saw it as a cheap ploy to sell replica merchandise to fans.

And who can forget this line from Space Balls:

Yogurt: Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.

 

[drumvan]

Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/10032429/Star-Trek-into-Darkness-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?

most of the comments following the review are pretty negative too. not much love for stid in that paper's readership.

 

[SeerSGB]

Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/10032429/Star-Trek-into-Darkness-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?

Reads like something that could have been written by a poster here Am I the only person that's getting tired of anytime Trek does a space-battle/action scene in space (or any scifi movie does for that matter) it gets compared to or called a ripping off of Star Wars?

And I just thought of this: The chase through asteroids? Star Trek did it first: Mudd's Women. So Star Wars ripped off Star Trek

 

[DarthTom]

^^^

Oh wow he rpis it to shreds:
Concluding points:

A large portion of Star Trek’s audience may well be satisfied by a film that amounts to not much more than an incredibly pretty and sporadically funny in-joke. But think back to the corny romance of that original mission statement, recited by William Shatner on many a rainy school night. Strange new worlds. New life. New civilisations. Boldly going where no man has gone before. That pioneer spirit? It’s gone.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The Bleeding Cool reviewer liked the movie - I loved this bit of his review:

There’s a growing sub genre of action movie filmmaking that I’ve decided to call the Thesp In A Jar™. A bad guy, ideally a proper British actor, get caught and declaims rhetorically from inside a glass case. I think Silence Of The Lambs was the first of its kind, then there was a bit of a lull… but lately we’ve had The Avengers, Skyfall, and now Star Trek Into Darkness.

Thesp-In-A-Jar?

 

[Franklin]

Yep. Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/10032429/Star-Trek-into-Darkness-review.html

A bit hollow and snippy, in my view.

Oh, and since when is 3 stars out of 5 rotten?

most of the comments following the review are pretty negative too. not much love for stid in that paper's readership.

For what it's worth, I did a quick count of Collin's 3/5 movie reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. Only 15 of about 175 3 star reviews were rotten. So about 93 percent of his 3/5 reviews were noted as "fresh."

Meh. Who cares? Any review that ends wondering where the "no man has gone before," spirit of Trek has gone doesn't get it, anyway. That damn monolog has become a curse.

 

[DarthTom]

The Walking Dead has continued that tradition however both the protagnist and the antagonist are played by British actors - and very well.

Andrew Lincoln plays Rick and of course David Morrisey plays The Governor. Both are brillaint in their roles.

Morrisey however was never, 'in the jar, ' per se.

 

[Flake]

Won't be reading the Telegraphs review or else I will get too wound up I can tell from the snippets I have unfortunately read here that he doesn't 'get' Star Trek.

 

[indranee]

Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not. "Joto mot toto poth" is an old Hindu saying in Bengal (in India). It means essentially.... yes, IDIC.

From Memory Alpha

The invention of the IDIC by Gene Roddenberry caused friction between him and Leonard Nimoy, who saw it as a cheap ploy to sell replica merchandise to fans.

And who can forget this line from Space Balls:

Yogurt: Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. Spaceballs-the T-shirt, Spaceballs-the Coloring Book, Spaceballs-the Lunch box, Spaceballs-the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs-the Flame Thrower.

That has nothing -- absolutely NOTHING -- to with my post, darthtom, and you know it.

Quit being a troll and contribute.

 

[JarodRussell]

Must admit, this line made me laugh:

Together they have come up with a very clever sleight-of-hand: all of the narrative cracks are papered over with references to old Star Trek characters and episodes. 'Hang on a minute,' you find yourself thinking, 'that doesn’t make sen ... oh look, a Tribble.' The malevolent genius of this is best appreciated in a cinema filled with confirmed Star Trek fans, who will dutifully whoop and applaud a familiar alien while the film quietly pulls off another dubious plot manoeuvre under their noses.

narrative cracks and dubious plot manouevres, in a film written by O., K. & L.? IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[Kruezerman]

I wonder how long it'll take for people to latch on to that one review as the One True Review(TM) and say that everything else is a blatant lie or conspiracy by the government. Or something.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not.

It's not about what is or isn't fictional. The problem is that I often see Trek fans treat it as if it's this law or ideal that Trek created and that it's some epitome of wisdom that should be followed just because it's espoused by the show, when in actuality the show has very little to say about it. It was just something tacked on as a merchandising tactic, not some grand idea that embodies what Star Trek is.

Instead, fans twist it to suit their own specific cases to make it say things like, "Everybody should appreciate that there are going to be different incarnations of Star Trek." If that's what fans are twisting IDIC to mean, that's bullshit. People are free to love Star Trek, hate it, or a mixture of both, and just because some half-baked toy marketing scheme says one thing, fans aren't beholden to that philosophy like it's some sort of dogma.

Go and look at the post I quoted and the usage of IDIC. "Practice IDIC." Practice? Really? I think you might want to reconsider before you start throwing terms around like idiotic or ignorant.

 

[DarthTom]

That has nothing -- absolutely NOTHING -- to with my post, darthtom, and you know it.

Quit being a troll and contribute.

Come on man, get a sense of humor. If you take IDIC that seriously, a fictional religion from a fictional TV show, it's time to get some perspective IMO.

 

[Pariah Carey]

*klingons klingons klingons* Spoilers spoilers spoilers*

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Th_Mhdz1H...Into+Darkness+Uhura+viral+trailer+Klingon.jpg

Aaww hell no!

I expected the "re-imagining" to be a bit more radical than that. This guy could easily pass for a ST-VI, or even a TNG era Klingon.

 

[indranee]

That has nothing -- absolutely NOTHING -- to with my post, darthtom, and you know it.

Quit being a troll and contribute.

Come on man, get a sense of humor. If you take IDIC that seriously, a fictional religion from a fictional TV show, it's time to get some perspective IMO.

I don't take IDIC seriously, I take stupidity and ignorance seriously.

Fine. I'll let it go. But stop calling me "man" when you know I'm not one.

*grabs sense of humor from top shelf and puts it back on*

 

[OneBuckFilms]

*klingons klingons klingons* Spoilers spoilers spoilers*

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Th_Mhdz1H...Into+Darkness+Uhura+viral+trailer+Klingon.jpg

Aaww hell no!

I expected the "re-imagining" to be a bit more radical than that. This guy could easily pass for a ST-VI, or even a TNG era Klingon.

Since the look of Klingons, in general, is well established, they would be the same in the Alternate Reality as the Prime Reality.

After all, they certainly existed prior to 2233.04.

I like his approach.