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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Anyone who's awake and paying any attention at all to the world around them knows by experience that a college education isn't necessary to success, so that's a given.

Oh really. I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "success." But, go ahead and define it so that your side of the argument is correct. To begin with, I'd ask you to name 5 (career) jobs that don't require a college education for entry.

But this will likely go beyond the scope of the forum.
Then now would be a great time to go start a thread about it in a forum appropriate to that topic.

So has anyone seen the pictures of the new Klingons?

Yep. They look pretty good, at least in low-rez.

Ridges?
Ruffles.
 
Yes they are all excellent reviews

I did spot one critic on twitter comparing it to Iron Man 2. It was the Daily Telegraphs critic, so there is a negative review incoming.
 
Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, Turner, Lauren, Ellison, Geffen...

Yeah, yeah, all famous exceptions. Well, the most successful woman I know personally has a GED.
Ironically, none of those guy's companies take applications from folks without certified education, even though the company founders didn't have one either.
 
Comparing successful business entrepreneurs starting on their own to an employee working one's self up the ranks of an established organization doesn't really make sense anyways.
 
The fact that Abrams gave him a walk-on in one needn't sway his opinion unless one views such things as quid pro quo.

You already challenged that point, and I responded.

My main point of my post was that only a decade ago, fans were being asked to be open-minded about his fanfilms. Sure, he's allowed to hate JJ's films. Deliberately spoilerizing fans about the new film via his Facebook page is disappointing.
 
My main point of my post was that only a decade ago, fans were being asked to be open-minded about his fanfilms. Sure, he's allowed to hate JJ's films. Deliberately spoilerizing fans about the new film via his Facebook page is disappointing.

I never read his post. Did he deliberately spoil it? Or was it mis-direction like the actors saying it's Mitchell or some other character in previous interviews?
 
Reviews are better than I expected. A very good sign that..

Edit: Continuing to read: Wow, these are REALLY good, one calls it JJAbrams BEST FILM YET. One states: "Star Trek Into Darkness may well set the benchmark for rollercoaster sci-fi that will indeed challenge your view of how space adventures can and should be delivered."

One calls the movie: "modest" LOL the $185 million blockbuster that's on a bigger scale than the ST09 movie..
 
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The Denofgeek one has a good summary:


Appreciating that Iron Man 3 kicked summer blockbuster season 2013 off by subverting the comic book movie genre and, in places, turning it on its head, what Star Trek Into Darkness has done is no less impressive. It's played its hand a lot straighter, with a three act story bustling with characters it's fun to spent time with, unified by a director who not only knows how to shoot an action sequence, but who also continues to prove he's a damn good storyteller. The end result? An exciting, entertaining and pretty excellent blockbuster. Let the clamour for another movie start right here...
 
Been reading the reviews and digging for spoilers (which is getting easier and easier). Just visually the movie's going to kick ass. I am concerned they've crammed to much into one movie. Seems like it could make 2 movies easily.

Like I said, there are very few exceptions to the rule.

You're wrong; college is not a "rule" - it's an increasingly dysfunctional educational/career/training path.

BTW, you know they're making these movies about people who are exceptions don't you? The idea that it's someone's job to send kids the message "work hard, stay in school and you can be Captain Kirk" is absurd.

I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advice I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's your passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.
 
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How about we let the people who've already seen it contradict or expand on what the actors are saying, rather than attacking someone pointing out what they said.

I hate relentless, dumb, action movies with little character development.

I enjoyed "Star Trek (2009)" and "Star Trek Into Darkness".

I am on Tumblr where every day, I see the excited ramblings of 16-18 year old newly minted Trekkers who saw the '09 film, and now are watching up all of the original series on Netflix.

It's pretty cool. Can't argue with that.

Definitely.

When I found TMP at 21, it became my mission to explore TOS. And TAS.

Interestingly, some TNG fans didn't feel the need to explore everything that had gone before. A strange phenomenon that hit that young sector of fandom was when "Doctor Who" went into hiatus. A lot of those displaced fans jumped to TNG, as demonstrated by the renaming of "Doctor Who Bulletin", to "DWB", to "Dream Watch Bulletin", and its widening in scope from "Doctor Who" articles to general SF media articles (and a huge amount of TNG coverage).

There is something to this. But I think it has to do with devolving Star Trek for mass consumption.

So, are we saying that Nemesis and Insurrection were more evolved Trek?

As I mentioned before, our ST club lost a lot of original members (from the early 70s) when ST IV came out in 1986 and they dismissed it angrily/sadly as what they called "the dumbing down of 'Star Trek' for the masses." For others, it was their favourite ST movie, and its financial and critical success greenlit TNG.

The Trek fanbase will always be divided. It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC. Each new production is going to create some new fans, and alienate some old ones.

Funny, a lot of fans of nu Doctor Who don't go back and watch the old stuff. And yet quite a few fans of ST 09 do want to go back and check out the old episodes. I think it's just that their appetite for Trek is awakened and needs to be satiated :cool: They are hungry for more material.
 
I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advise I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's you passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.

Yep. Gotta clock a lot of hours at Burger King to pay off that 100K loan, too.
 
Been reading the reviews and digging for spoilers (which is getting easier and easier). Just visually the movie's going to kick ass. I am concerned they've crammed to much into one movie. Seems like it could make 2 movies easily.

Like I said, there are very few exceptions to the rule.

You're wrong; college is not a "rule" - it's an increasingly dysfunctional educational/career/training path.

BTW, you know they're making these movies about people who are exceptions don't you? The idea that it's someone's job to send kids the message "work hard, stay in school and you can be Captain Kirk" is absurd.

I know people in HR that consider a college degree to be the new high school diploma. Every six months they get flooded with a batch of the new grads or soon to be grads with fresh degrees in whatever "guaranteed money making career" they got talked into majoring in when they sent out their college applications back in highschool. Best advice I ever got regarding college: 1) Unless it's your passion, just audit classes and pick up certifications, screw the degree. 2) Practice saying "Would you like to upsize to a large combo?" cause that's about what your degree will be worth when you get out.

Yeah. With all the talk of so much action and intrigue, I've been worried for a while that one of the criticisms of this movie would be that they tried to do so much that either they couldn't pull it all together for a decent payoff, or that it goes off track and becomes a mess. But so far, so good with the reviews.

On the secondary topic ;) : I advise students to take the liberal arts approach in college these days. No one should go to college just to be a "WHATEVER" any more, or major myopically in "WHATEVER." More and more students are being advised to plan on having three or more careers in the real world during their working lives, so flexibility is a must. Just having a college degree creates no future certainty any more, we're certain of that.
 
If you're going to spend the time and money to pursue a four year degree or beyond, you ought to have a very clear understanding of why you're doing it and what your goal is as well as what it's actually worth to you. Otherwise you're going to wind up with little more than a useless degree and some peculiar memories of how you spent your free time.

Unfortunately as others have noted, college in the U.S. now is a default - everyone goes because they're expected to, because it puts off adulthood for another four or more years and because if you don't go you're viewed as having fallen below some basic threshold of minimal achievement and therefore have failed or been denied an "opportunity" that's close to an entitlement. A hugely dysfunctional set of attitudes.

Full disclosure - I have a four year degree. I did further study but didn't pursue an M.A.
 
It's a shame more fans can't practice IDIC.

IDIC is nonsense, much like several other touted "philosophies" of Star Trek. It's a shame that any fans try and make any real world application of it.

Uhh, your ignorance is showing. "IDIC" may be fictional, but the idea behind it is not. "Joto mot toto poth" is an old Hindu saying in Bengal (in India). It means essentially.... yes, IDIC.

In your zeal to sound cute, you pretty much reveal the idiot you are.

NOTE TO THE MOD: Sorry, but I had to do it. There are times I get enraged when I read this board, and I guess this was one of them. I'll take whatever warning you mete out.
 
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