Then it's your least favorite film you've seen, not the worst. Those are two very different things.
Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek
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Then it's your least favorite film you've seen, not the worst. Those are two very different things.
You must've missed out on the Enterprise and Battlestar Galactica weekly episode threads on here. There were people who spent more time watching and analyzing them than even the biggest fans just to bitch and moan about them.
Has anyone seen the transcript of discussions between Spielberg and Lucas before they made Raiders of the Lost Ark? Lucas came off as the sane one.
The thing is, you embarrassingly have watched the film 3 times and still hadn't put together that Spock and Uhura were banging when it was inferred that they were in several ways that were anything but subtle.
Whether that stems from your own inexperience with women or your inability to decipher clear messages and themes put to you in movies, I'm really not sure why anyone should take whatever opinion you have, about anything, seriously.
Its Star Trek. I'll watch the new stuff, on the one in a billion chance that even a few minutes of it is worthwhile. I mean, its painful, but I can stand 2 hours of a horrible movie. That way, I'm atleast informed about the movie, and can say that I hate it with the full knowledge of the movie. Its not really fair to hate a movie you've never seen. Plus, I'll admit to having morbid curiosity about stuff like this. I knew catwoman would be bad (I only watched for the first time last year) but I still watched it. My time isn't all that valuable, to be honest. I can spare a few hours when I have nothing to do, even if I know I'll most likely hate the movie. Plus, I tend to have a morbid curiosity about stuff like this. Its why I watched Catwoman, Transformers 2, and a few other movies I knew I wouldn't like just by their reputation.
As for watching the first one, it actually became worst with repeated watching. I thought it was bad in theaters, but after months passed I figured that it would merit a rewatch, to see how I felt after all the time had passed. Then my first DVD watching made me hate it more than I did originally. My third watching was a while after that, and just confirmed my hatred. I can't really explain the third watching, besides the fact that, when it comes to Star Trek, I tend to watch everything I own several times. Maybe I felt like trying to see if I could make out anything in it that was redeemable, I don't know. It was over a year ago. I definately won't do it again, unless I decide I need to rewatch it before seeing Into Darkness when it comes to DVD, but I doubt I'll feel the need to do that.
How wasn't it subtle? You're using you interpretation of something you saw to invalidate my opinion. Unless JJ Abrams/the writers come out and say "They were banging", then its open to interpretation. If they do come out and say it, I'll admit it was wrong. As it is, it was never even implied until after Vulcan blew up. If you think it makes my opinion invalid, fine. I think everyone's opinion, even yours, is valid about this, even if I don't agree with it. It was open to interpretation, which means people will get diffent things out of it. I just interpret what I saw to mean that they weren't banging until after Vulcan. Insulting my opinion about anything and everything is just kind of, well, stupid. Especially over something that never was definately said or shown. It was not a clear message by anymeans, and I doubt it has anything to do with experience with woman (although I will admit that I have absolutely no experience with women. I haven't had a non school/current situation conversation [aka asking a librarian a question, etc) with a woman outside of my family since I was 10]. Still, I don't think Uhura/Spock needed someone with woman experience to decipher their relationship. Its a poorly written action movie.
As for watching the first one, it actually became worst with repeated watching. I thought it was bad in theaters, but after months passed I figured that it would merit a rewatch, to see how I felt after all the time had passed. Then my first DVD watching made me hate it more than I did originally. My third watching was a while after that, and just confirmed my hatred. I can't really explain the third watching, besides the fact that, when it comes to Star Trek, I tend to watch everything I own several times. Maybe I felt like trying to see if I could make out anything in it that was redeemable, I don't know. It was over a year ago. I definately won't do it again, unless I decide I need to rewatch it before seeing Into Darkness when it comes to DVD, but I doubt I'll feel the need to do that.
How wasn't it subtle? You're using you interpretation of something you saw to invalidate my opinion. Unless JJ Abrams/the writers come out and say "They were banging", then its open to interpretation. If they do come out and say it, I'll admit it was wrong. As it is, it was never even implied until after Vulcan blew up. If you think it makes my opinion invalid, fine. I think everyone's opinion, even yours, is valid about this, even if I don't agree with it. It was open to interpretation, which means people will get diffent things out of it. I just interpret what I saw to mean that they weren't banging until after Vulcan. Insulting my opinion about anything and everything is just kind of, well, stupid. Especially over something that never was definately said or shown. It was not a clear message by anymeans, and I doubt it has anything to do with experience with woman (although I will admit that I have absolutely no experience with women. I haven't had a non school/current situation conversation [aka asking a librarian a question, etc) with a woman outside of my family since I was 10]. Still, I don't think Uhura/Spock needed someone with woman experience to decipher their relationship. Its a poorly written action movie.
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Spock and Uhuru are shagging now because this Twilight-esque cross-species mopey business about a sexy ancient creature romancing a young woman is in vogue now and angst is apparently fun. It's pandering to a general audience that are, by and large, thick as pigshit and have no interest in science-fiction. Abrams thought aiming a Star Trek movie at Star Trek fans was an insane idea so don't expect to be pleased by the next movie either.
Expect lots of long lingering glares between Pine and Cumberbatch in a cynical attempt to pander to the teenage girl crowd.
Expect lots of long lingering glares between Pine and Cumberbatch in a cynical attempt to pander to the teenage girl crowd.
Wait, wait, don't start crying again yet I need some more popcorn.
Wow, ok. I guess the general message is "Don't disagree with the general fandom opinion, or you're an idiot". I honestly didn't think this was that kind of forum. I have said bad things about the movie, but I have never personally insulted any poster or their opinion, atleast not intentionally. I have freely admitted that everyone is entitled to like what they want, and believe what they want about the movie. That obviously is not an attitude that this forum likes. If you're not part of the collective, your opinion doesn't matter, or your a crybaby. I'm actually surprised by this attitude. I've heard of forums like this, but I've been lucky that I've never experienced it until now. I never would have guessed that TrekBBS would be my first experience with posters that don't allow other opinions. I guess I'll go back to threads that don't require you to be part of the hive mind to have a valid opinion
Eh, it's how the world works. You'll get shit for almost any minority opinion. I get shit for liking My Little Pony and Star Trek. I get shit for not liking JJ Abrams.
We live in a culture that pressures people in to not standing out in any way. And as Morpheus once kinda said, some people are so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will set out to hurt others' feelings in order to protect it.
We live in a culture that pressures people in to not standing out in any way. And as Morpheus once kinda said, some people are so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will set out to hurt others' feelings in order to protect it.
There's a warm home for you in TNZ. Lots of Trek and Pony fans there.
Aiming a Star Trek movie just at Star Trek fans is an insane idea and a great way to ensure that the movie will be on a shoestring budget, won't see wide release, won't make any money and chances are will be an awful, boring movie.
Movie studios are in business to make money, not to satisfy yours and others' lame fanboy desires and laughable needs. Your entitlements don't mean anything, so long as they get in the way of a studio's ability to make a buck. Either be happy you have any Star Trek at all or piss off, there's no middle ground to yearn for here. That general audience that you mistakenly call "thick as pigshit" actually matters more to them than you and your interest in science fiction do. Probably best to accept that and move on.
No.
It might just be that people like seeing romance in movies. And honestly, it was a nice change of pace to have it be somebody other than Kirk.
I think it's depressing when we get to the point where wanting a good story is a laughable need.
Do you not think it dumbs down Spock to our level and makes him less interesting?
The problem is not in wanting a good story. The problem is requiring "good story" to fit your definition of it. What is a "good story"? One that dots all the i(s) and crosses all the t(s) on the checklist of formal story structure or one that entertains large masses of people? The latter has always been the actual, rather than theoretical, yardstick and by that measure, the story was "good". Was it a masterpiece of filmmaking? Certainly not. Such things are exceedingly rare. But it was a lot of fun to a whole lot of people--that seems like a reasonable definition of "good story" to me. YMMV, of course.
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