Petition CBS to fix the problems with TNG:S2 Blu.

[marksound]

A petition is pointless.

The "Powers" would undoubtedly do extensive market research before jumping into any project. They will remaster and release what is profitable. Period.

The fans are always a factor in these things, as they are they market base, but if a project's expected cost-to-profit ratio isn't high enough, then it won't be pursued. That's a run-on sentence, and this one is here to fill out the paragraph.

I really wish the geek factor would ease up a bit, but after 40 years I don't think that's a possibility.

 

[thumbtack]

After they see all the problems with Best of Both Worlds, Part II they will be a bit more sympathetic to your cause, hopeless though it is.

At the moment it's just the dreaded Season 2 that the B Team has put forth, so it's easy to be dismissive.

 

[Finn]

Can someone post screenshots showing the examples of the problems? It's silly to ask for a petition when a lot of us probably haven't seen it..

Just read through the S2 thread. There are plenty of examples in there.

Thanks for the heads up


I think a some of shots in there are unfair, especially since many have been "frozen" and blown up.

I looked at the screenshots at trekcore.com and they look amazing. However, there are screenshots that looks problematic. I'm not sure if it's worth having CBS go through the trouble. It's not exactly a pressing issue that society needs to solve.

I'll have to see the Blu-rays myself instead of looking at screenshots.

 

[BillJ]

After they see all the problems with Best of Both Worlds, Part II they will be a bit more sympathetic to your cause, hopeless though it is.

At the moment it's just the dreaded Season 2 that the B Team has put forth, so it's easy to be dismissive.

Rumor has it that CBS-Digital is handling both parts.

 

[TheSeeker]

I hope so.

 

[Salinga]

I think a some of shots in there are unfair, especially since many have been "frozen" and blown up.

WTF!? AFTER the mistakes have been noticed while watching it in normal speed on a normal TV!

I am always surprised, how some construct caricatures of a behaviour to then dismiss it or use the caricature for their own argument - for some reason not noticing, that they are using just that: a caricature and nothing that has something to do with reality.

So, I make it clear for everyone: The picture of someone watching TNG frame by frame, zooming into each frame to search for flaws and errors ... IS A CARICATURE. So stop basing your arguments against pointing out the flaws of Season 2 on this caricature image.

 

[FrontierTrek]

I understand the frustration with the different look of Season 2 and how some VFX scenes don't meet expectations and have fallen short.

Please realize that the budget and resources available for TNG's remastering are VERY limited indeed. Getting approval for the project and budget in the first place took YEARS. The time required for making fixes and reinserting them into the master recordings and all of the related work is surprisingly large. This really can hurt the show and project as a whole when it means that there's less time and money available to do something important on the next season down the line.

This makes any mass-replacement of Season 2 VFX not only is unrealistic but also damaging to the project as a whole. As many readers have pointed out, Season 2 is NOT bad... it's just not up to Season 1's standards which were VERY high.

 

[FrontierTrek]

After they see all the problems with Best of Both Worlds, Part II they will be a bit more sympathetic to your cause, hopeless though it is.

At the moment it's just the dreaded Season 2 that the B Team has put forth, so it's easy to be dismissive.

Rumor has it that CBS-Digital is handling both parts.

The same house will be doing Parts 1 and 2 of "The Best of Both Worlds".

 

[BriGuy]

I think a some of shots in there are unfair, especially since many have been "frozen" and blown up.

WTF!? AFTER the mistakes have been noticed while watching it in normal speed on a normal TV!

I am always surprised, how some construct caricatures of a behaviour to then dismiss it or use the caricature for their own argument - for some reason not noticing, that they are using just that: a caricature and nothing that has something to do with reality.

So, I make it clear for everyone: The picture of someone watching TNG frame by frame, zooming into each frame to search for flaws and errors ... IS A CARICATURE. So stop basing your arguments against pointing out the flaws of Season 2 on this caricature image.

I think you're living up to a stereotype.

Some people are going frame by frame, pausing, enlarging and looking for "mistakes," no matter how slight.

I see nothing wrong with Bells' statement, which was qualified and not blanket or overreaching.

 

[I-Am-Prepared!]

I think a some of shots in there are unfair, especially since many have been "frozen" and blown up.

WTF!? AFTER the mistakes have been noticed while watching it in normal speed on a normal TV!

I am always surprised, how some construct caricatures of a behaviour to then dismiss it or use the caricature for their own argument - for some reason not noticing, that they are using just that: a caricature and nothing that has something to do with reality.

So, I make it clear for everyone: The picture of someone watching TNG frame by frame, zooming into each frame to search for flaws and errors ... IS A CARICATURE. So stop basing your arguments against pointing out the flaws of Season 2 on this caricature image.

I think you're living up to a stereotype.

Some people are going frame by frame, pausing, enlarging and looking for "mistakes," no matter how slight.

I see nothing wrong with Bells' statement, which was qualified and not blanket or overreaching.

What you're missing is that the more minor problems, such as misaligned lighting passes, simply serve to illustrate and amplify the general lack of care and polish that has gone into the restoration of Season 2 in a broader sense. I'm hardly a videophile, but having received the Blu-ray set for Christmas, I've been struck by how incredibly inconsistent the work is, especially in fundamental areas such as grain-matching (or lack thereof), overuse of DNR, poor compositing (especially in terms of lighting and colour timing), low resolution textures and so forth. None of these problematic issues are present in CBS-D's wonderful work on Season 1. Pausing and zooming for minor flaws would be unnecessarily nit-picky if they were the only failings, but instead they're simply indicative of much bigger problems.

If it looks fine to you, then more power to you. But when the quality of the restoration changes from shot to shot, bottom line it takes me out of the episode. The restoration work is sub-par in both major and minor ways, and people have a perfectly legitimate right to be disappointed. I agree that a petition is pointless, but don't accuse people of identifying problems that don't exist - because they do.

 

[R. Star]

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It's really just a matter of opinion. If the "quality" of the restoration upsets you, I suppose the thing to do is either, not buy the product, sign that petition, writer a letter of complaint to the appropriate parties, or some combination thereof. If the picture and sound quality enhances the episode for you, that's perfectly legit and your own opinion and I can see how this would set people with this viewpoint off.

To me the quality of the image and sound doesn't change the content of the episode. What would get me buying these sets more than anything else is new material. If they offered deleted or cut scenes from each episode, instead of a couple like they've been doing. Or even actors audio commentary with each episode. The extra interviews and extras they do offer, while interesting, aren't quite worth buying another set over. Especially when they end up on youtube anyways after a time.

 

[T'Girl]

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[Dream]

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CBS cares.

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About your money.

 

[Finn]

What you're missing is that the more minor problems, such as misaligned lighting passes, simply serve to illustrate and amplify the general lack of care and polish that has gone into the restoration of Season 2 in a broader sense. I'm hardly a videophile, but having received the Blu-ray set for Christmas, I've been struck by how incredibly inconsistent the work is, especially in fundamental areas such as grain-matching (or lack thereof), overuse of DNR, poor compositing (especially in terms of lighting and colour timing), low resolution textures and so forth. None of these problematic issues are present in CBS-D's wonderful work on Season 1. Pausing and zooming for minor flaws would be unnecessarily nit-picky if they were the only failings, but instead they're simply indicative of much bigger problems.

If it looks fine to you, then more power to you. But when the quality of the restoration changes from shot to shot, bottom line it takes me out of the episode. The restoration work is sub-par in both major and minor ways, and people have a perfectly legitimate right to be disappointed. I agree that a petition is pointless, but don't accuse people of identifying problems that don't exist - because they do.

If you aren't a videophile, you wouldn't be using those terms like techobabble

grain-matching

 

[I-Am-Prepared!]

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It's really just a matter of opinion. If the "quality" of the restoration upsets you, I suppose the thing to do is either, not buy the product, sign that petition, writer a letter of complaint to the appropriate parties, or some combination thereof. If the picture and sound quality enhances the episode for you, that's perfectly legit and your own opinion and I can see how this would set people with this viewpoint off.

To me the quality of the image and sound doesn't change the content of the episode. What would get me buying these sets more than anything else is new material. If they offered deleted or cut scenes from each episode, instead of a couple like they've been doing. Or even actors audio commentary with each episode. The extra interviews and extras they do offer, while interesting, aren't quite worth buying another set over. Especially when they end up on youtube anyways after a time.

For heaven's sake, I'm not "upset". I'm simply trying to make the point that those with concerns about the quality of the restoration are justified.

 

[I-Am-Prepared!]

What you're missing is that the more minor problems, such as misaligned lighting passes, simply serve to illustrate and amplify the general lack of care and polish that has gone into the restoration of Season 2 in a broader sense. I'm hardly a videophile, but having received the Blu-ray set for Christmas, I've been struck by how incredibly inconsistent the work is, especially in fundamental areas such as grain-matching (or lack thereof), overuse of DNR, poor compositing (especially in terms of lighting and colour timing), low resolution textures and so forth. None of these problematic issues are present in CBS-D's wonderful work on Season 1. Pausing and zooming for minor flaws would be unnecessarily nit-picky if they were the only failings, but instead they're simply indicative of much bigger problems.

If it looks fine to you, then more power to you. But when the quality of the restoration changes from shot to shot, bottom line it takes me out of the episode. The restoration work is sub-par in both major and minor ways, and people have a perfectly legitimate right to be disappointed. I agree that a petition is pointless, but don't accuse people of identifying problems that don't exist - because they do.

If you aren't a videophile, you wouldn't be using those terms like techobabble

grain-matching

Alas, another child of humankind with no grasp of nuance. I am not a "videophile", nor do I have the equipment or in-depth knowledge requisite, but I have a brain and am well-read and well-versed enough to be able to articulate my disappointment in specific terms. I appreciate your response, but next time, perhaps you could respond with substance. In the hope that it might further meaningful discourse. As opposed to emoticons and half-baked accusations.

 

[R. Star]

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If you read past the one word of my post that... dare I say... upset you, you'd have read that I pretty much agreed with you about varying opinions having validity. I'm also not sure why you felt the need to write a whole paragraph insulting another person while citing you appreciate their response. What point exactly are you trying to make with that beyond general negativity?

 

[Solarbaby]

CBS promised us a hi def remastered version of a very dated show. It fell short of that. Its our money paying for this. Why accept less than the bar they set with season 1. Its all about the consumer.

 

[BillJ]

CBS promised us a hi def remastered version of a very dated show. It fell short of that. Its our money paying for this. Why accept less than the bar they set with season 1. Its all about the consumer.

But it didn't fall short for everyone. I'm perfectly happy with the quality of season two.

 

[marksound]

CBS promised us a hi def remastered version of a very dated show. It fell short of that. Its our money paying for this. Why accept less than the bar they set with season 1. Its all about the consumer.

Actually, until the production cost has been recovered, it's CBS' money paying for it.

And I hate to burst your bubble, but it's not all about the consumer. It's about making a profit for the company and its shareholders.

If I were a betting man, I'd say that the majority of consumers won't have a problem with the quality. So if CBS can pull that off, mission accomplished.