Was Star Trek 11 too similar to Star Wars?

[Dukhat]

Geez, some people are really touchy.

And some people like to use hyperbole a lot. QED.

...it's that he just doesn't seem to either get it or care to get it.

No offense, but I'm pretty sure Abrams got it.

 

[Kemaiku]

I've been noticing something similar at least since the time of Enterprise's original run, if not before: the most energetic disapproval of things new or different in Trek seems to come from those who really identified first with TNG."

Watched TNG first when I was 5, love Enterprise and the new movie.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

(I actually have a pet theory, based on no solid evidence whatsover, that it's actually the TNG era fans who have the most trouble with the new movie--in part because they expect something more stately and dignified when it comes to Trek.)

I've been noticing something similar at least since the time of Enterprise's original run, if not before: the most energetic disapproval of things new or different in Trek seems to come from those who really identified first with TNG (even though their earliest exposure to Trek may well have come via syndicated showings of TOS episodes during the 1970s and early 1980s.)

Based on no solid evidence, as you say, and I really have no interest in pursuing it any further; I don't have a need to be right about it (nor, by extension, to make someone else be wrong.) It's merely a thing I've noticed on occasion, while slogging through Trek-forum lectures about how "you younger people have no appreciation, blah blah blah... "

I've noticed that for years. Both on forums and in real life interactions.

I'm an old fan. I like JJTrek rather a lot.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It was my uninformed opinion that the majority of the nuTrek haters were fans more interested in the Treknicalities of Trek than the stories. Those for whom a reimagined and bigger Enterprise or a beer brewery engine room were deal breakers because they didn't fit with their established design perameters of Federation starships.

Although I suppose they may be TNG fans foremost, too - it was The Next Generation that cranked up the technobabble and marketed manuals detailing the workings of everything that established those design perameters in the first place. Then JJ Abrams comes along and rolls back to the technobabble-free, just-do-it-don't-explain-it attitude of The Original Series.

 

[Sheridan]

I grew up watching TNG-era shows and TOS and the TOS movies about at the same age. I loved the new Star Trek movie. It's not perfect but I think it's a substantial improvement compared to the majority of previous trek films.

Star Trek 11 was mostly an sci fi adventure action movie which is not at all uncharacteristic of Star Trek. Many episodes in all of the series were primarily action. Star Treks 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 were also substantially action movies in varying degrees.

But there's also the deep philosophical and political side to Star Trek which wasn't found much if at all in Star Trek 11. Personally I would have liked to have seen that in Star Trek 11 but it may have gone against the purpose of Star Trek 11 and that is to revitalize Star Trek and make it fresh and relevant again. But hopefully that will be seen more Star Trek Into Darkness.

The RedLetterMedia review is similar to my opinion of the film: http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-trek/star-trek-09/

 

[Greg Cox]

My other wacky theory is that it's the TNG era fans who are still in mourning for the whole TNG/DS9/VOY era of STAR TREK--and perhaps unfairly blame the reboot for driving the final nail into the coffin of that particular version of the 24th Century. (At least on screen.)

As opposed to us first-generation TOS fans who weren't expecting to see any more TOS shows or movies anyway--and were pleasantly surprised to have Kirk and Spock and that whole crowd back again.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

My other wacky theory is that it's the TNG era fans who are still in mourning for the whole TNG/DS9/VOY era of STAR TREK--and perhaps unfairly blame the reboot for driving the final nail into the coffin of that particular version of the 24th Century. (At least on screen.)

As opposed to us first-generation TOS fans who weren't expecting to see any more TOS shows or movies anyway--and were pleasantly surprised to have Kirk and Spock and that whole crowd back again.

Is it wired that I'm only 24 and as time goes I find I perfer TOS more than the other treks?

(Don't get me wrong I still like the 24th century stuff and Enterprise, I just like TOS more.)

I mean the universe was bigger and more dangerous and it seemed more interesting, also the people seemed more like people.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

When Episode VII comes out I wonder if there will be people wringing their hands and saying Star Wars is now too much like Star Trek.

 

[Greg Cox]

When Episode VII comes out I wonder if there will be people wringing their hands and saying Star Wars is now too much like Star Trek.

Nah, they'll say it's too much like John Carter of Mars!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Dejah Thoris and Leia battle it out for the title of QUEEN of the Disney Princesses.

 

[M'Sharak]

Dejah Thoris and Leia battle it out for the title of QUEEN of the Disney Princesses.

You know, that's a movie I'd probably watch.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Both in metal bikinis too!

 

[M'Sharak]

Wait - Dejah Thoris in a bikini?


Oh. Right... Disney.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh let's just toss Disney and go straight to Frazetta.

 

[The Wormhole]

Is it wired that I'm only 24 and as time goes I find I perfer TOS more than the other treks?

I'm 27, was intorduced to Trek through TNG and grew up watching DS9, Voyager and eventually Enterprise. Though in my early 20s I found myself developing a preferance for TOS. Though strangely in recent years (since XI's release, in fact) my preferance has gone back to the 24th century stuff. Also, in the past year I've watched the most Enterprise since it went off the air.