Season ONE OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread

[Maxwell Everett]

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

Are you referring to the low-key lighting in this shot here:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x01/farpoint_hd_056.jpg

If so, the look is intentional -- that's how it was lit by the cinematographer in 1987. Compare what you're seeing to TrekCore's TNG screencaps. You're HDTV should be calibrated to look very much like what you see there. If you have a Blu-ray with a THX optimizer, you could calibrate your set using that and it should get you pretty close to where you need to be brightness and contrast-wise.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I'm not sure what you mean by the bad light. Personally, I think all the episodes I've watched so far look fantastic. What kind of TV do you have?

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

I have a 32 inch HD TV set from LG. And there, the menus are VERY small (I can't read them from 3 meters distance) while the frame is 90% empty (only background image in the center). Apparently one should have a 50 inch TV to enjoy the blu-rays.

To be honest, I do think the issue lies with the calibration of your set - I find the PQ on these dsics to be truly outstanding. Do you have your set on "Vivid" or "Torch" mode etc? DO NOT use these!!! Switch to "Cinema" or whatever it may be called on your TV - probably set colour temp to warm if you have that option, but that depends on the characteristics of your set. Then calibrate from there - I recommend something like DVE...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0

 

[BillJ]

I'm not sure what you mean by the bad light. Personally, I think all the episodes I've watched so far look fantastic. What kind of TV do you have?

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

I have a 32 inch HD TV set from LG. And there, the menus are VERY small (I can't read them from 3 meters distance) while the frame is 90% empty (only background image in the center). Apparently one should have a 50 inch TV to enjoy the blu-rays.

I enjoy them fine on both my 32" and 40" sets.

 

[Reeborg]

I'm not sure what you mean by the bad light. Personally, I think all the episodes I've watched so far look fantastic. What kind of TV do you have?

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

I have a 32 inch HD TV set from LG. And there, the menus are VERY small (I can't read them from 3 meters distance) while the frame is 90% empty (only background image in the center). Apparently one should have a 50 inch TV to enjoy the blu-rays.

To be honest, I do think the issue lies with the calibration of your set - I find the PQ on these dsics to be truly outstanding. Do you have your set on "Vivid" or "Torch" mode etc? DO NOT use these!!! Switch to "Cinema" or whatever it may be called on your TV - probably set colour temp to warm if you have that option, but that depends on the characteristics of your set. Then calibrate from there - I recommend something like DVE...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0

Ok, I had it on "vivid" no one "standard" or "Cinema" it's better. Nevertheless, I don't like the lighting style of this season (just watched "Where no-one has gone before") with very dark background light and rather bright focussed light coming from one side. Exemple are :

You see very often these kind of shadows on the faces which I find rather annoying. But OK, maybe it just me.

 

[Reeborg]

I'm not sure what you mean by the bad light. Personally, I think all the episodes I've watched so far look fantastic. What kind of TV do you have?

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

I have a 32 inch HD TV set from LG. And there, the menus are VERY small (I can't read them from 3 meters distance) while the frame is 90% empty (only background image in the center). Apparently one should have a 50 inch TV to enjoy the blu-rays.

I enjoy them fine on both my 32" and 40" sets.

Come on, watch it really on your 32" from 3 meters away and look especially on the episode names on the right menu (black on yellowish background). Do you really find this text size well adapted for the human eye?

 

[MikeS]

Perhaps you need to see an optician?

I like the way they lit the first season. Dramatic.

 

[Reeborg]

Perhaps you need to see an optician?

I like the way they lit the first season. Dramatic.

You are a funny guy!

Maybe, you need a psychiatrist?

I basically don't like it. May God forgive me for that sin.
It seems to me that they had to save money on the lights (since they hadn't enough for both sides).

 

[MikeS]

Maybe, you need a psychiatrist?

May God forgive me for that sin.

A psychiatrist, why? It was a serious suggestion - perhaps you are straining your eyes and need them correcting - I cannot see those titles without my spectacles.

How is a preference a sin? You asked for opinions by coming on a discussion board and yet all you can do is insult anyone that comes up with a reply?

 

[Reeborg]

Maybe, you need a psychiatrist?

May God forgive me for that sin.

A psychiatrist, why? It was a serious suggestion - perhaps you are straining your eyes and need them correcting - I cannot see those titles without my spectacles.

How is a preference a sin? You asked for opinions by coming on a discussion board and yet all you can do is insult anyone that comes up with a reply?

Yes guy, the "optician" part was no insult, of course. I can live without this kind of reply. Thanks.

If you think that making the menu text smaller to have more surface practically empty is a reasonable choice, and all you have say to that criticism is "verify your glasses", then you are not looking for a constructive discussion.

 

[Tosk]

Aaaaanyway...

- I was rather disappointed on the special features of disc 1.

The last disc is the one with the main extras.

 

[TheSeeker]

Bad light: The light is usually coming from the side leaving one side of the face high lighted and the other side of the face is rather in the dark with a very strong contrast on the face. It's where they put the light and with what intensity and focus. Often the background is very dark too. Maybe my TV is badly adjusted, although I find it more annoying with TNG than other shows on DVD/BD.

I have a 32 inch HD TV set from LG. And there, the menus are VERY small (I can't read them from 3 meters distance) while the frame is 90% empty (only background image in the center). Apparently one should have a 50 inch TV to enjoy the blu-rays.

To be honest, I do think the issue lies with the calibration of your set - I find the PQ on these dsics to be truly outstanding. Do you have your set on "Vivid" or "Torch" mode etc? DO NOT use these!!! Switch to "Cinema" or whatever it may be called on your TV - probably set colour temp to warm if you have that option, but that depends on the characteristics of your set. Then calibrate from there - I recommend something like DVE...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Video-Essentials-Basics-Blu-ray/dp/B000V6LST0

Ok, I had it on "vivid" no one "standard" or "Cinema" it's better. Nevertheless, I don't like the lighting style of this season (just watched "Where no-one has gone before") with very dark background light and rather bright focussed light coming from one side. Exemple are :
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x06/wherenoone_hd_345.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x06/wherenoone_hd_340.jpg

You see very often these kind of shadows on the faces which I find rather annoying. But OK, maybe it just me.

The way these images look has nothing to do with the remastering process. This is how they were filmed. Just take a look at the DVD screen captures.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x06/wherenoone167.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x06/wherenoone177.jpg

By the way, I should also warn you that hotlinking as you did is frowned upon. That's why I removed the IMG tags from your quoted post.

 

[Reeborg]

(1) The way these images look has nothing to do with the remastering process. This is how they were filmed. Just take a look at the DVD screen captures.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x06/wherenoone167.jpg

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x06/wherenoone177.jpg

(2) By the way, I should also warn you that hotlinking as you did is frowned upon. That's why I removed the IMG tags from your quoted post.

(1) In principle I know and agree with that. Anyhow, when I compare the DVDs (playing on my computer) with the BD (on my TV) I get the impression that this light contrast is even bigger on BD than on DVD. I am just saying, I don't like these intentional shadowings in Season 1.

(2) What do you mean with hotlinking? I am not sure what you mean. (I guess it is "direct showing the images in the post"???)

 

[TheSeeker]

Hotlinking refers to embedding images which are hosted by someone else's webspace and not your own. From the board FAQ:

Plus, you should only include an inline images from web space that you own, or with the permission from the webmaster on which the image is located to avoid what results in costly bandwidth theft to the originating site owner.

Instead, please post a link to the image.

It's a rule not commonly known to new users so I just thought I would point it out.

 

[Reeborg]

Hotlinking refers to embedding images which are hosted by someone else's webspace and not your own. From the board FAQ:

Plus, you should only include an inline images from web space that you own, or with the permission from the webmaster on which the image is located to avoid what results in costly bandwidth theft to the originating site owner.

Instead, please post a link to the image.

It's a rule not commonly known to new users so I just thought I would point it out.

You did right, thanks.

 

[BillJ]

Come on, watch it really on your 32" from 3 meters away and look especially on the episode names on the right menu (black on yellowish background). Do you really find this text size well adapted for the human eye?

I sit about eight and a half feet away from my 32", which is just under three meters if I remember my conversion correctly and I don't have any issues seeing the menus.

As far as the shadowing goes, I like it far better than the flat, even lighting we got in later seasons where everything looks washed out. It gave the show a dramatic look.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

As far as the shadowing goes, I like it far better than the flat, even lighting we got in later seasons where everything looks washed out. It gave the show a dramatic look.

100% agreed. The lighting used during season one is, by a country mile, the classiest and most stylish seen throughout the series. The over bright, and as you say, washed out appearance in later years, coupled with the "muzak", coated TNG with an unnecessary sheen of blandness.

 

[BillJ]

As far as the shadowing goes, I like it far better than the flat, even lighting we got in later seasons where everything looks washed out. It gave the show a dramatic look.

100% agreed. The lighting used during season one is, by a country mile, the classiest and most stylish seen throughout the series. The over bright, and as you say, washed out appearance in later years, coupled with the "muzak", coated TNG with an unnecessary sheen of blandness.

Honestly, later TNG was lit like a daytime soap. Sequences were framed the same way for the most part. It felt like they fell into a rut as far as blocking shots.

 

[Reeborg]

Come on, watch it really on your 32" from 3 meters away and look especially on the episode names on the right menu (black on yellowish background). Do you really find this text size well adapted for the human eye?

I sit about eight and a half feet away from my 32", which is just under three meters if I remember my conversion correctly and I don't have any issues seeing the menus.

I congratulate you for your very good eyesight. Quite frankly, I am not comfortable with the text size even though I wear my glasses. Especially the labels "Prod #", "Air date" and "Stardate" on the right-sided menu, I am not able to read from 3 m distance on the 32 inch screen (maybe US 32" is bigger than European ones as in the US everything is bigger ). And quite frankly, I don't think that most people could easily and comfortably read these under these circumstances. I still don't see the point to have these small menus on an otherwise (almost) empty screen. I should make a test with my wife, although she is not interested at all in watching ST.

 

[Tosk]

I totally agree that the text is quite a bit smaller than it needs to be. I'll live, but it would have been cool a tad bigger.

 

[Reeborg]

I totally agree that the text is quite a bit smaller than it needs to be. I'll live, but it would have been cool a tad bigger.

Thanks for the relief you give me.