One Thing That Seperates Star Trek: Deep Space Nine From Other Trek

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Do you mean that they disputed the faith itself when there was nothing to dispute as the reality was completely scientific?

As if I had a friend who believed the mail came from the gods and instead of explaining to them that the mail comes from humans I said "I don't think I can swallow your faith".

 

[Temis the Vorta]

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The way to do the feligious mumbo jmbo is to make Sisko the focal point and give him something to lose. have Starfleet put down their foot when he starts takng the Emissary jazz so seriosly that he's giving Bajorans advice that contradicts Federation interests. Sisko has blind faith in the Prophets, but that faith should have been challenged.

 

[Relayer1]

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I thought 'Take Me out, was pretty good for a holodeck episode. It wasn't Badda-Bing, but I did enjoy it...

 

[chrinFinity]

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The idea that the Prophets look out for Bajor and so should be trusted completely is still a leap of faith. Just because the Prophets are real and non-linear is not, in itself, a guarantee that the Bajorans faith in them is justified. However, as we learned over the course of the series (and the relaunch novels), it turns out their faith was justified after all.

 

[Amaris]

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I didn't want a respite.

I wanted machinations and death!

Well... too bad!

Too much of it was waiting around on the station and hoping something interesting would happen.

See I was always in love with the station itself. I love the idea of living on a space station, would far rather live there than a starship. I like transitional spaces that are hubs. Airports, train stations.. DS9 was all that with aliens. So I was quite happy to hang out there with the vole problems and Quarks establishment and cargo holds and all kinds of folk passing through.

Same here. DS9 had more of that diversity I was looking for in a tale about a future where humanity has reached the stars. It's why I play STO, and why I'm almost always on DS9.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Don't tempt me with that STO!

And yes, the majority of the characters are not humans on DS9. This has a huge impact on the show, it generates so much extra creativity I think.

 

[Kira Nerys]

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It also has a better storylines and.....not to mention ...Kira .

 

[Kirk1980]

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Religious mumbo-jumbo. Thats what separates DS9 from other Treks.

I don't agree with you on much, but I agree with this.

 

[Nightdiamond]

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The Emperor's New Cloak is a pretty bad one, IMO. And the one where Quark dresses up like a woman.



The season finale of DS9 was heavy on the pseudo religious stuff. Fire caves (hell) Celestial temple (heaven) final showdown between good and evil....

I think they overdid it with all of that.

 

[T'Girl]

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Too much of it was waiting around on the station and hoping something interesting would happen.

Hoping something interesting would happen on DS9, is like staring out your window at a torrential downpour and hoping that it would rain.

 

[Kirk1980]

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Too much of it was waiting around on the station and hoping something interesting would happen.

Hoping something interesting would happen on DS9, is like staring out your window at a torrential downpour and hoping that it would rain.

Is that a compliment to DS9 or...?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Of course it is.

EVERYTHING on DS9 is interesting, it is interesting all the time.

Oh, except for Kira's Bajoran boyfriends, they were not interesting. They were there for toilet breaks.

 

[Ln X]

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Of course it is.

EVERYTHING on DS9 is interesting, it is interesting all the time.

Oh, except for Kira's Bajoran boyfriends, they were not interesting. They were there for toilet breaks.

Kira/Odo really worked, but Bareil was just a distraction and I think Kira was simply stringing Shakaar along...

I think DS9 mainly focuses on each individual tree in the wood, thus explaining why some people find DS9 to be 'boring' or 'aimless' but this approach pays off in droves when you get the more meatier episodes (The Die is Cast, Way of the Warrior, Apocalypse Rising, By Infernos Light, Call to Arms, and so forth) which sort are the bread and potatoes of DS9. Because then the changes happen impact the characters and you really emphasise for them because a) so much time was spent developing them, and b) some very interesting situations can arise.

Finally DS9 has got balls. We have a terrorist turned officer, the Dominion which almost beat the Federation, a far more shadier Federation what with Sisko's plan to get the Romulans into the Dominion war (plus Section 31), it explored religion, it focused vastly more on alien races, things were never really hunky-dory. DS9 is virtually the opposite of TNG and TOS in so many ways, that's why DS9 has balls.

 

[T'Girl]

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DS9 is virtually the opposite of TNG and TOS in so many ways

Although of the two, DS9 is much closer to TOS, than TNG.

The TOS universe is also imperfect, and so is it's hero captain. Kirk threaten to destroy an inhabited planet, went on vendettas, and once beat up the leader of a Federation member world. Kirk was a self-professed soldier and killer.

Where TOS is separate and superior to DS9 is it never wallowed in darkness for protracted periods of time.

.... that's why DS9 has balls.

DS9 didn't have ball, it had a multi-season long premenstrual cycle.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

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Where TOS is separate and superior to DS9 is it never wallowed in darkness for protracted periods of time.

No, it wallowed in stiffness for protracted periods of time. It's also more a product of its time than DS9. It just basically comes down to what you're into. If you like the stiffness, cool. I liked the fact that DS9 really looked at different angles of things.

There were always conflicting viewpoints, and it usually wasn't easy to dismiss all but one, which of course was the moral of the episode we were all supposed to learn from on TOS or TNG. Nothing's wrong with that format, but I like the deeper dip in realism and complexity that DS9 has. To me, that's superior.

.... that's why DS9 has balls.

DS9 didn't have ball, it had a multi-season long premenstrual cycle.

If that's your take on "premenstrual," then please, don't look at the world, neither as it is, was, or could be.

 

[R. Star]

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.... that's why DS9 has balls.

DS9 didn't have ball, it had a multi-season long premenstrual cycle.

Well that explains Kai Winn's mean streak as well as any theory I've heard.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Where TOS is separate and superior to DS9 is it never wallowed in darkness for protracted periods of time.

No, it wallowed in stiffness for protracted periods of time.

I'm thinking you mean something different by that than I do.

 

[Spock/Uhura Fan]

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Where TOS is separate and superior to DS9 is it never wallowed in darkness for protracted periods of time.

No, it wallowed in stiffness for protracted periods of time.

I'm thinking you mean something different by that than I do.

You've got a dirty mind, lol.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Well we WERE talking about Kirk..

 

[newtontomato539]

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I don't like baseball nor cricket but Take Me Out To the Holosuite is a fantastic stress relief during the war.

DS9 beats the Holodeck episodes of TNG and V hands down.

Jadzia died. Bring in a new host. Show the consquences of death.

"Hoping something interesting would happen on DS9, is like staring out your window at a torrential downpour and hoping that it would rain."

You don't know what will come out of the rain. Gray areas. Not clear cut.

"DS9 didn't have balls, it had a multi-season long premenstrual cycle."

Wow, sexism.

I aslo liked the religion examination. We got to stay with one planet, people and culture. Yay! We got to spend more time on a space station/starbase. We got to spend more time with the Bajorans, Cardassians, Ferengi and Trill. Worf wasn't treated as "Piss off Worf". Runabouts. We got to have story arcs. We got to have more character arcs. We got better Star Fleet uniforms ( Officer Mark 1 and Mark 2 First Contact. Cadet Mark 1 Nog and Mark 2 Valiant). We finally got the Phase II series we always wanted.