Great point!! Some of the greatest musicians in life are totak dicks, and some of the worst are great people to be around. Should we all listen to horrible music then?
You need to seperate the two, and look at the creation, not the creator.
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Great point!! Some of the greatest musicians in life are totak dicks, and some of the worst are great people to be around. Should we all listen to horrible music then?
You need to seperate the two, and look at the creation, not the creator.
Writing is not easy whether that be fan/fic/PBEM/Novel etc... Aside from the PBEM's I've taken part in and some attempts at writing my own novel. I did once submit a novel idea.
Even that's not as easy at it sounds, provide an example of your work x pages long or so many words. And an outline of your novel idea x pages long.
Even that's not as easy at it sounds, provide an example of your work x pages long or so many words. And an outline of your novel idea x pages long.
When I first discovered the BBS,I was so delighted to see that I wasn't the only reader of Trek literature(reading is a solitary pleasure).I was also delighted and bemused by the discussions and opinions expressed and often surprised by viewpoints that I had never considered.That some Treklit authors also participated was just the icing on the cake.
Personally I have no problem with David Mack's response to a pretty moronic and disrespectful thread (Mr.Mack has been known to be responsible for some pretty hefty major property damage in the Trek universe,you know
).
Personally I have no problem with David Mack's response to a pretty moronic and disrespectful thread (Mr.Mack has been known to be responsible for some pretty hefty major property damage in the Trek universe,you know
).
Given her behavior in the "Crossovers with other franchises" thread, I'd say Timewalker's modus operandi is to pick a fight with an author or other prominent poster and then pretend to be the victim when the other side says anything back.
All I want is clarity. Is "shut the fuck up" an appropriate response to those who aggravate me? If it is, then cool. If it isn't, then you're creating a select class of posters.
For me, David Mack, Christopher Bennett, Dayton Ward, Greg Cox and any other author should be held to the same standard as myself or Joe Zhang or Warped9.
Does a moderator care to clarify the appropriateness of "shut the fuck up"?
For me, David Mack, Christopher Bennett, Dayton Ward, Greg Cox and any other author should be held to the same standard as myself or Joe Zhang or Warped9.
Does a moderator care to clarify the appropriateness of "shut the fuck up"?
Depends on the context and in this context it was one hundred percent fine, I think.
Agreed, with both points. Authors should be treated the same as other posters/members. And I believe in the specified topic (which was closed), the moderator did say something along those lines. I'm not to sure, I'd have to double-check.
But, sometimes a certain response is valid. I'm not sure if I agree with the word f*** being used, atleast not in a public forum. But the response itself was very valid I feel, no matter who made it. Anyone being treated as David was being treated, should have the right to stand up for themselves like that.
This is utterly ridiculous. At no time is "shut the fuck up" acceptable, I don't care if it came from the keyboard of Gene Roddenberry himself.
Mack got off scott-free because he is a writer. Make no mistake, if that had been put up by a regular poster, an infraction would've been handed out.
How was Mr. Mack treated? If I remember the original post, he was never mentioned by name...
Oh bullshit. "Shut the fuck up" is a perfectly acceptable response to someone who's attacking you or picking a fight with you.
Also bullshit, but don't let that stop the persecution complex.
Like I said, the F-word is just a standard part of the vocabulary in New York City. It's kind of startling how frequently and casually my NYC-dwelling author friends use the word.
The problem is that we're going through a period of linguistic transition where curse words that were originally quite serious and shocking are losing their impact due to overuse. This has happened before; in Elizabethan times "Golly" was a serious profanity because it meant "God's body" and referring to God as a physical being was blasphemous. But today it's considered a laughably mild and childish euphemism. However, we're well beyond the endpoint of the domestication process for that word. Where the F-word is concerned, there are some people for whom it's just a bit of casual, everyday slang, and others for whom it's still seriously offensive. (Personally I don't like to curse in public, though I do use such curses in my private thoughts and in character dialogue in my writing when it fits the character.) So some people may inadvertently offend other people because they aren't on the same page about how serious a curse the word is.
(I was once on a bus and overheard a conversation where at least one of the participants was using a certain profane epithet with such frequency and casualness that it got elided to "m'fug" or "m'fuh," and there was no anger or hostility behind it; it was just a pronoun to him. But when he actually wanted to convey shock and outrage, he said, "What the hell?!" I found it striking, because I had always considered "hell" to be one of the mildest curses and, err, the other to be the most heinous and obscene one I knew. We are very much in a state of societal flux when it comes to attitudes toward that particular verb.)
The problem is that we're going through a period of linguistic transition where curse words that were originally quite serious and shocking are losing their impact due to overuse. This has happened before; in Elizabethan times "Golly" was a serious profanity because it meant "God's body" and referring to God as a physical being was blasphemous. But today it's considered a laughably mild and childish euphemism. However, we're well beyond the endpoint of the domestication process for that word. Where the F-word is concerned, there are some people for whom it's just a bit of casual, everyday slang, and others for whom it's still seriously offensive. (Personally I don't like to curse in public, though I do use such curses in my private thoughts and in character dialogue in my writing when it fits the character.) So some people may inadvertently offend other people because they aren't on the same page about how serious a curse the word is.
(I was once on a bus and overheard a conversation where at least one of the participants was using a certain profane epithet with such frequency and casualness that it got elided to "m'fug" or "m'fuh," and there was no anger or hostility behind it; it was just a pronoun to him. But when he actually wanted to convey shock and outrage, he said, "What the hell?!" I found it striking, because I had always considered "hell" to be one of the mildest curses and, err, the other to be the most heinous and obscene one I knew. We are very much in a state of societal flux when it comes to attitudes toward that particular verb.)
Mack didn't need to be mentioned by name, since some of the quotes in the original post were from his works.
Roddenberry I suspect would have been more likely to ask "can we fuck?"
But this isn't New York City. Even with that, I'd almost buy what you're saying if he hadn't bolded the words in question. I have no doubt that Mr. Mack knew exactly what he was saying.
All but three of those quotes were from David Mack books. He had every right to reply both as a target of Ben Sisko's vitriol.
They already did.
LS said rudeness wasn't warn worthy. That was aimed at Mack, yes?
^I think it was certainly inclusive of the original post.
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