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You can still find that usage in fantasy novels as well, where the heroes (or villains) are often the bastard son or daughter of some powerful noble . . ..

Bastards in this usage play a large role in George R R Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series (adapted for tv as Game of Thrones). Jon Snow is (apparently) the bastard son of Ned Stark but some wonder if that's his true parentage.

In Martin's Westeros, bastard children are viewed as being untrustworthy as they were 'born out of lust.' There's a nice touch whereby bastard children are all given surnames which identify them as such - those born in the cold north (like Jon) are called Snow, those born in sandy Dorne are called Sand, those in the riverlands are called Rivers, etc.
 
Certainly, one has to take into consideration one's environment. I'm not personally offended by profanity, but anybody who swears like a sailor at a children's playground or matinee showing of Bambi is an inconsiderate jerk. Ditto at your conservative cousin's wedding reception.

On occasions, when speaking at a library or convention, I've started to tell some funny, off-color anecdote or joke only to notice a bunch of kids in the front row . . . and decided to take another tack.

"Okay, maybe this isn't the right crowd for that Barbarella gag . . . ."
 
Happens a lot at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. There's an age limit on the tickets for a reason. One woman had a packed house and was about to let rip with her monologue when she spotted a child in the front row. She had to edit her whole show.
 
I've always been careful on Facebook with my language since I've had minors friended.

In about a year my last minor FB friend will come of age.

All fuck will then break loose.
The other day my sister was complaining to our mother that our nephew (our brother's son) was using profanity on FB. I told her, he's twenty years old!!!!! He can say post ever he wants!
 
I've always been careful on Facebook with my language since I've had minors friended.

In about a year my last minor FB friend will come of age.

All fuck will then break loose.
The other day my sister was complaining to our mother that our nephew (our brother's son) was using profanity on FB. I told her, he's twenty years old!!!!! He can say post ever he wants!


The main reason I never use profanity with minors friended is because of their parents. I do not want to deal with phone calls about how inappropriate my language is :lol:
 
Exactly. I have a small army of underage nieces and nephews. I don't talk around them the way I do in front of my grown-up friends and acquaintances.

And, back in the day, I occasionally warned my mom not to share certain stories with the relatives!
 
I dunno, I think most kids today are far more comfortable with swearing than I am. I often think that restrictions on swearing on TV or the like are more for protecting the parents' sensibilities than the kids'.
 
I self-censor a lot (cursing wise) on FB, as there are young people on there, plus people in front of whom it wouldn't be proper to cuss. IRL I don't cuss around old people (no comments :p) or kiddies. I know kiddies hear it from the parents, friends and on TV, but they don't need to hear it from me if they're around 16 or younger.

Here? You guys know me. Ditto for my LJ. I don't worry about cussing around here.


Exactly. I have a small army of underage nieces and nephews. I don't talk around them the way I do in front of my grown-up friends and acquaintances.
 
I hate the c-word, both when used to refer to female genitalia and when used to refer to a person. Again, this is idiosyncratic, but I find it very vulgar; any occasion I might have to use it, I would stop myself and say "bitch" or "asshole" instead. The c-word just seems too misogynistic to me, based on my experience with it. (Not saying that everyone who uses it hates women!! Just that it has too many associations for me.) Not a big fan of "pussy" either, tbh.

Understandable; there are some misogynistic attitudes underlying the words' traditional use. But the thing is, profanities have a way of becoming divorced from their literal/original meaning over time. Very few people today would hear "punk" and think of a prostitute or hear "golly" and think of a blasphemous reference to an embodied God. The British slang term "sod" is short for "Sodomite," but I doubt the people who use it as a mild, even somewhat affectionate label ("the poor sod") have any intention of conveying such a meaning. I think that in some cultures the c-word is becoming similarly divorced from its origins, and sooner or later you just have to accept that the people using it have no intention of invoking its original derogatory meaning. But the culture is still in transition when it comes to that particular word, so it's a tricky one.

And I can sympathize with the difficulty in letting go of one's offense at the original meaning. Personally I can't stand it when people use "balls" as a synonym for courage or strength, because I find it deeply sexist. For all I know, maybe they aren't thinking in terms of its original meaning at all, but it's hard for me to forget it.

Yeah, I get what you mean about the cycle of profanity. I know I will eventually have to let go of disliking certain words, but I think it'll be a while on the c-word in my neck of the woods. I was talking to some friends today on the topic, and we all agreed that no one uses that word around here (because it's so strong), unless they're [intentionally] being vulgar.

I've always been careful on Facebook with my language since I've had minors friended.

In about a year my last minor FB friend will come of age.

All fuck will then break loose.
The other day my sister was complaining to our mother that our nephew (our brother's son) was using profanity on FB. I told her, he's twenty years old!!!!! He can say post ever he wants!

The main reason I never use profanity with minors friended is because of their parents. I do not want to deal with phone calls about how inappropriate my language is :lol:

I dunno, I think most kids today are far more comfortable with swearing than I am. I often think that restrictions on swearing on TV or the like are more for protecting the parents' sensibilities than the kids'.

Ehn, I don't swear around younger kids because it's my experience that they don't know when it is and isn't okay to use strong language. And I don't want to encourage it in preteens. I think that's the key, though: swearing in front of an 8-year-old is different than swearing in front of a 14-year-old. Teens are old enough to decide whether or not they care, and are old enough to know not to use those words around grandma. Young children, though, not so much. (And despite facebook's assertions to the contrary, kids under the age of 13 do use facebook and YouTube and the internet like the rest of us.)
 
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