Best Avengers storylines from the comics?

[TemporalFlux]

It's kind of a spin-off, but I would note Mark Gruenwald's 12 issue Squadron Supreme (the Squadron having first appeared in The Avengers and pretty much created so Marvel could have their own JLA / Avengers crossover). It would be funny if Marvel made a Squadron Supreme movie and did JLA better than Warner Brothers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And If you're a creepy S.O.B... After the author died their was a limited run reprint of Squadron Supreme where they authors ashes had been mixed into the ink used to draw Squadron Supreme.

Although, I preferred JMS' Squadron Supreme from the turn of the century.

 

[Mr Light]

My problem with the Avengers was that they usually starred B listers. That's why I love the Bendis Avengers. They've got Spider-Man and Wolverine and feel more like a part of the Marvel U. Hell, they're the preeminent book of Marvel now, rather than an also-ran.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Avengers Prime. 5 issue limited series, art by Alan frakking Davis. It's just cap iron man and Thor lost in Asgard trying to get their shit together after all that Civil War stuff put them at such odds.

back ten years ago kang declared a conventional war against the World and his army attacked. not some fool in a costume that seven super heroes can fight, but millions of soldiers with 40th century weapons laying waste to all opposition.

The climax for this story well after the Avengers lost and went into hidding was when George W Bush surrendered America and signed over the country to Kang. I'm pretty hard on the real Bush, but considering he could have been back on the cocaine hiding in a spiderhole, you actually have to respect the (fictional, then) president since seconds after surrendering America he was probably taken to a secret prison to have his finger nails removed.

Illuminati.

Iron Man, Reed Richards, Namor, Doctor Strange, Professor Xavier and Blackbolt got together after the first kree skrull war and said "This planet is run by morons, they can sort out their tiny needs for their rural hamlets, but as far as the rest of the universe is concerned, we speak for earth."

(Tony Stark is an Asshole.)

So there's an arc early on In Bendis' New Avengers when the other super heroes discover that this has been happening for years. Captain America is really not happy about it, and then there's a mini series dealing with the illuminati's history how they dealt with many of the huge crossover events/fallout from marvel history.

"We speak for earth"

just consider that.

Xavier crying a river about how the world he's the one 6th owner of, fears and loath's him.

He's like a slum lord wondering why his tenants are pissed off that he turned off their water and power.

Oh.

After a scuffle a few years back.

They all have an Infinity Gem.

 

[mswood]

As some one who has read most the avengers books (well starting with the first appearance of the Vision, a great story for its time), I really, really dislike modern Avengers. Pretty much Bendis well not ruined them, but basically took what was my favorite team book of the last 30 years, into a purchase just to keep my collection.

Probably my favorite stories was in the 70's the Bride of Ultron, in Modern years the four part Ultron Busiek/ Perez storyline (though, why of why couldn't Perez done full pencils on those four issues).

Avengers Forever is a solid read, with ok art, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone new to the avengers.

Korvac Saga suffers from going from fairly good yet unrefined Perez art to crap utterly forgetful art.

Kree/Skrull War for its time was really strong (both in word and art).

 

[mswood]

My problem with the Avengers was that they usually starred B listers. That's why I love the Bendis Avengers. They've got Spider-Man and Wolverine and feel more like a part of the Marvel U. Hell, they're the preeminent book of Marvel now, rather than an also-ran.

Yet those are two characters that should have almost no involvement with the Avengers. I mean how many books and teams is Wolverine apart of? He has no speed, no flight, how is he managing this.

Spiderman is a character who supposed to be struggling to make ends meet. Where its a daily struggle between real life and being a costume crime fighter. Oh is he able to also jump ship with the avengers, and not have that impact his life?

Just because characters are popular isn't reason for them to be part of a group.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The (retroactively) original Avengers charter which they printed in a 90s Annual says that a reserve avenger gets a grand a week to help make ends meet while they're waiting for evil to strike.

Peter has so much backpay coming to him if he can just find the right paperwork.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My problem with the Avengers was that they usually starred B listers. That's why I love the Bendis Avengers. They've got Spider-Man and Wolverine and feel more like a part of the Marvel U. Hell, they're the preeminent book of Marvel now, rather than an also-ran.

The first B-List era was pretty good, starting with the Kooky Quartet and ending in the Kree-Skrull War. After that there was usually a blend of A and B listers with the occasional C-Lister/New Character.

IMO, the A-List is Thor, Captain America and Iron Man.

The B-List: Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Hank Pym, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man and the Beast.

Anyone else is C-List or shouldn't be on the team.

 

[mswood]

My problem with the Avengers was that they usually starred B listers. That's why I love the Bendis Avengers. They've got Spider-Man and Wolverine and feel more like a part of the Marvel U. Hell, they're the preeminent book of Marvel now, rather than an also-ran.

The first B-List era was pretty good, starting with the Kooky Quartet and ending in the Kree-Skrull War. After that there was usually a blend of A and B listers with the occasional C-Lister/New Character.

IMO, the A-List is Thor, Captain America and Iron Man.

The B-List: Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Hank Pym, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man and the Beast.

Anyone else is C-List or shouldn't be on the team.

The problem is that the A listers have their own titles, meaning the majority of character development isn't going to be in the Avengers. The heart of the storytelling isn't going to be (at least usually) Cap, Thor or Iron Man. It's going to be the Vision (there is a reason he was the character on the cover for so long), Henry Pym, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Wonder Man, Quicksilver, Beast, ect...

Those are the characters who you can fully utilize and develop. And they are usually the heart of the drama of the story.

 

[mswood]

The (retroactively) original Avengers charter which they printed in a 90s Annual says that a reserve avenger gets a grand a week to help make ends meet while they're waiting for evil to strike.

Peter has so much backpay coming to him if he can just find the right paperwork.

They reference the stipend even into the 80's, and thats another reason Parker shouldn't ever be a part of the team (besides a guest appearance now and again). It completely removes the very basic idea of what made Peter Parker different then say a Batman or Robin.

I really feel like the last 15 years of MArvel is the company completely destroying what made MArvel so special.

 

[Dream]

Yet those are two characters that should have almost no involvement with the Avengers. I mean how many books and teams is Wolverine apart of? He has no speed, no flight, how is he managing this.

Yeah, I hate how Wolverine took over the first three X-men movies. While trying to get the movies to be all about Wolverine, they kicked all the other X characters into the background. It reallly annoyed me. They should have been called "Wolverine and the X-men".

The best thing to ever happen is that FOX bought the X-Men movie rights and now only they can use Wolverine. Disney is out of luck if they want to shove the guy down our throats in an Avengers movie. Instead they can only to use the original members.

I feel the same about Sony owning Spider-man.

 

[Nerys Myk]

My problem with the Avengers was that they usually starred B listers. That's why I love the Bendis Avengers. They've got Spider-Man and Wolverine and feel more like a part of the Marvel U. Hell, they're the preeminent book of Marvel now, rather than an also-ran.

The first B-List era was pretty good, starting with the Kooky Quartet and ending in the Kree-Skrull War. After that there was usually a blend of A and B listers with the occasional C-Lister/New Character.

IMO, the A-List is Thor, Captain America and Iron Man.

The B-List: Hawkeye, She-Hulk, Hank Pym, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Wonder Man and the Beast.

Anyone else is C-List or shouldn't be on the team.

The problem is that the A listers have their own titles, meaning the majority of character development isn't going to be in the Avengers. The heart of the storytelling isn't going to be (at least usually) Cap, Thor or Iron Man. It's going to be the Vision (there is a reason he was the character on the cover for so long), Henry Pym, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Wonder Man, Quicksilver, Beast, ect...

Those are the characters who you can fully utilize and develop. And they are usually the heart of the drama of the story.

I agree with that. The Vision/Scarlet Witch relationship and attendant triangles and quadrangles really helped drive the book in the 70s. The B-list was the heart of the book.

 

[Nick Ryder]

The (retroactively) original Avengers charter which they printed in a 90s Annual says that a reserve avenger gets a grand a week to help make ends meet while they're waiting for evil to strike.

Peter has so much backpay coming to him if he can just find the right paperwork.

They reference the stipend even into the 80's, and thats another reason Parker shouldn't ever be a part of the team (besides a guest appearance now and again). It completely removes the very basic idea of what made Peter Parker different then say a Batman or Robin.

I really feel like the last 15 years of MArvel is the company completely destroying what made MArvel so special.

Well I think part of the problem with Peter not getting paid - he probably could have - but he'd have to unmask publically or have it become public record - which lately they DID address when Victoria Hand was handing out paychecks... to everyone but Spider-Man.

So yeah he's "due" the money, but he'd have to give up his secret ID.

Besides, he's Peter Park SOOOOOPER Genius now at Horizon's Lab - which is honestly the job I think is PERFECT for the science geek that is Peter Parker.

--Anyway...

Honestly my favorite Avengers Storyline is the whole Heroes Return run - Busiek was writing, Perez was drawing, you had crossovers with Iron Man and Captain America the team line up changed often but it felt natural and it was just a blast to read. I still pull out those issues and read them and enjoy them just as much as I did way back in 98.

 

[Saga]

IMO Avengers is most enjoyable when the team is so called B or C list characters. i hate the fact that Wolverine is an Avenger now. the only Bendis Avengers story i really enjoyed was Dark Avengers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I loved the love triangles in the 80s and early nineties.

The Black Knight seemed to be at the centre of a lot of them.

 

[Saga]

I loved the love triangles in the 80s and early nineties.

The Black Knight seemed to be at the centre of a lot of them.

heh, yeah. first he falls for Wasp then he gets involved with Sersi and Crystal.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You're forgetting Yellow Jacket.

The evil villainess.

She side steps a revenge kick against the Wasp to insert herself into the Knights life (And trousers).

Meanwhile the Wasp was busy chosing between Paladin and the Black Knight.

"Sigh"

I so wanted Crystal to go back to her husband.

Pietro was a mess without her.

And look who she is married to these days!

Ronan the Fricking Accuser.

 

[Dream]

Is it true that Antman beats up Wasp in the Ultimates? How did fans feel about this?

 

[Nick Ryder]

Personally I hated it. I mean in the 616 MU Hank slapped Jan ONCE after basically suffering a nervous breakdown. And they treated it pretty much as his single defining trait - a wife beater. And that was like back in the late 70s/early 80s or something.

In the Ultimates Universe, they really ran with that horrible character trait, not only saying he beat the shit out of her once -even sprayed her with BUG SPRAY and sicced his ants on her. But then had Betty Ross say that "Oh yeah I remember a few times she had black eyes and chunks of hair missing."

I really hated that. Of course then Ultimate Jan dated Captain America for a while.

Then she got disembowled and eaten by the Blob.

Jan really got the crappy end of the stick in both MU and Ultimate MU

 

[Dream]

Wow, that really sucks. I've really started to like Wasp from EMH cartoon too.