Wow - ST goofs

[Deimos Anomaly]

I always knew there were a bunch of continuity farts in ST, as did we all I think, but then I discovered this. I never realised it would actually be downright funny how some of them are that blatant. I had a good laugh at this.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW2MnZynv-Y[/yt]

 

[F. King Daniel]

I prefer mine

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFq-37a7pk0[/YT]

 

[Satyrquaze]

Not to be rude, but at the end of your video, King Daniel. All those D-7s at DS9 from "Way of the Warrior" are actually K'Tinga-class battlecrusiers. The D-7 is the Klingon warship that the original Enterprise repeatedly encountered during TOS. The K'Tinga is apparently it's refit/uprated version.

It's a bit like mistaking the pre-refit 1701 for the 1701-A.

The below image is taken from merzo.net.

Don't ask me why the KT'inga is smaller. But, apparently the story goes there was (not surprisingly, yet another) a modelling mistake made by the Voyager producion team. I'm sure theres a page devoted to the screw-up on Ex Astris Scientia.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I was under the understanding that Voyager did get some kind of new torpedos... maybe from the Borg?

 

[F. King Daniel]

^In the episode "Dreadnought" they briefly wonder if they can modify Dreadnought's Cardassian quantum torpedoes to work with Voyager's photon launchers, but then then they have to blow up Dreadnought before they get a chance to take a closer look.

In "Scorpion" they modify their own photon torpedoes to use against Species 8472.

In a much later episode (the one about Seven having repressed memories of being attacked and having nanoprobes stolen) Voyager tests out new alien weapon systems, but no mention is made of being able to replenish their torpedoes.

Not to be rude, but at the end of your video, King Daniel. All those D-7s at DS9 from "Way of the Warrior" are actually K'Tinga-class battlecrusiers. The D-7 is the Klingon warship that the original Enterprise repeatedly encountered during TOS. The K'Tinga is apparently it's refit/uprated version.

It's a bit like mistaking the pre-refit 1701 for the 1701-A.

The distinction seems to only exist in the non-canon technical manuals and websites. On-screen, Tuvok calles a supposedly K'Tinga-class ship a D7, which makes them canonically one and the same ship type.

I will admit it can be explained away with a bit of squinting and coughing. Following those links (as well as looking up the "Everlasting Klingon Battlecruiser" article at EAS) just makes it even more confusing and contradictory!

 

[JarodRussell]

I prefer mine

Arrr, thank you! So that Klingon First Contact Disaster thing is not just in the Trek Chronology book, it's actually on screen canon.

Take that you filthy scum that disagreed with me on this years ago! You know who you are.

 

[Satyrquaze]

The distinction seems to only exist in the non-canon technical manuals and websites. On-screen, Tuvok calles a supposedly K'Tinga-class ship a D7, which makes them canonically one and the same ship type.

I will admit it can be explained away with a bit of squinting and coughing. Following those links (as well as looking up the "Everlasting Klingon Battlecruiser" article at EAS) just makes it even more confusing and contradictory!

Fair enough, but, I found this on memory-alpha. It sheds some light on the Voyager episode screw-up.

The K't'inga-class studio model that appeared in "Prophecy" was incorrectly identified as a "D7 class cruiser" in the dialog. According to writer Mike Sussman, he had assumed the D7 studio model created for "Trials and Tribble-ations" was going to be used in the episode. In post production, the special effects staff instead used a low resolution CGI model of a K't'inga-class to represent the ship in the story, rather than the D7 model, as described. Sussman stated that if he had known that the K't'inga model was going to used, he would have (re)written the script so as to avoid this discrepancy.

As you say, other than the detail work on models themselves is mostly non-canon material. but, I think it's still noteworthy.

 

[Gary7]

Janeway: "They can't be replaced." ... I always assumed that it was given their current circumstances. I'd like to think that they improvised and found a way. It certainly would have been a good story bit for an episode, where they find a combination of techniques using replicators to produce them manually. And then at some point between battles in a given episode, you hear Janeway giving an order to weapons control to get moving on restocking their store of photon torpedoes because they're very likely going to need more rather soon.

 

[Captain McBain]

Just chalk up the supposed errors to Q wreaking havoc with the inferiors.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Janeway: "They can't be replaced." ... I always assumed that it was given their current circumstances. I'd like to think that they improvised and found a way. It certainly would have been a good story bit for an episode, where they find a combination of techniques using replicators to produce them manually. And then at some point between battles in a given episode, you hear Janeway giving an order to weapons control to get moving on restocking their store of photon torpedoes because they're very likely going to need more rather soon.

I've always felt that FAR TOO MUCH of what Voyager would have HAD TO DO to survive in the Delta Quadrant (70,000lys away from any shelter or supply) took place off-camera without any explaination or was even alluded to by the characters.

 

[The Wormhole]

A question about the video in the OP. At one point they show a clip from Generations of Riker looking over the damage to the bridge after it crashed on Veridian III. What is the continuity error they're trying to point out there?

 

[Satyrquaze]

^That the windows on the Enterprise-D are hypothetically made out of transparent aluminum and therefore shouldn't have shattered I would hazard to guess.

 

[The Wormhole]

You know, I've never thought about that. Good point.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's something about my videos vs. the other ones I've seen - I explain what's going on, so even the casual/occasional Trek watcher can enjoy. I'm die hard, but even I had trouble knowing what it is I was meant to be looking at in some of those (moreso one other, where when reading through comments afterwards I discovered the author just put some clips in for no reason)

 

[Gary7]

^That the windows on the Enterprise-D are hypothetically made out of transparent aluminum and therefore shouldn't have shattered I would hazard to guess.

Yep. Another example of how TNG didn't always respect what was established in TOS. The transparent aluminum was a miracle material... not to have it used for every window of a starship, let alone the bridge "skylight", would be complete idiocy.

I've always felt that FAR TOO MUCH of what Voyager would have HAD TO DO to survive in the Delta Quadrant (70,000lys away from any shelter or supply) took place off-camera without any explanation or was even alluded to by the characters.

Yeah, good point. I remember having to consciously let go of that, in order to enjoy the series. The next episode always showing Voyager "freshly repaired as new" really got to me (only exception was "Year of Hell" part II). I totally thought it was a big mistake not to carry over earlier damage to show how Voyager really had to struggle being on its own.

I guess every Starship has small robots that vacuum the carpet, scrub the walls and floors, rivet and weld exterior panels, apply paint to scrapes with 100% matching accuracy, and even wash the windows.

 

[CoveTom]

Yep. Another example of how TNG didn't always respect what was established in TOS. The transparent aluminum was a miracle material... not to have it used for every window of a starship, let alone the bridge "skylight", would be complete idiocy.

Actually, TNG -did- establish that transparent aluminum was used for the starship windows, but then Generations disregarded that. In the episode "In Theory," when they are investigating the odd situation in the observation lounge, Data scans the windows with his tricorder and says...

The transparent aluminum alloy of this window is exhibiting a pattern of transient electrical currents.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I prefer mine

Arrr, thank you! So that Klingon First Contact Disaster thing is not just in the Trek Chronology book, it's actually on screen canon.

Take that you filthy scum that disagreed with me on this years ago! You know who you are.

Nope, you're still wrong. The guy who the wrote the line in "First Contact" said so.

Plus the actual First Contact was a human shooting a Klingon, not humans look at a Klingon in a hospital bed. That's pretty "disastrous." That plus Archer's other faux pas did lead to rising hostility between the Klingons and the humans/Federation. And it did take place "Centuries ago", just as Picard claimed.

 

[The Borg Queen]

I prefer mine

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFq-37a7pk0[/YT]

Here's another nitpick. It's Lyta Alexander, not "Leyla".

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Bugger.

Erm.... B5 mistakes don't count in Trek videos. Honest.

 

[Gary7]

Actually, TNG -did- establish that transparent aluminum was used for the starship windows, but then Generations disregarded that. In the episode "In Theory," when they are investigating the odd situation in the observation lounge, Data scans the windows with his tricorder and says...

The transparent aluminum alloy of this window is exhibiting a pattern of transient electrical currents.

I never knew that -- thanks!