Do people lose thei virginity in star Trek too...

[Tiberius]

Everyone on the Enterprise D lost theirs to Riker or Troi.

Or a hologram of them...

 

[YARN]

Would early sexual experiences be holographic?

Undoubtedly.

 

[ngc7293]

I always think that a hologram is a tool, something to be used and abused (as it were), then replaced when necessary. They are only self-aware because they were programmed that way. The difference between them and Data is his uniqueness, with only three highly advanced Soong-type androids (Data, Lore and Julianna Tainer) in existence, they are rare and as such deserve special status. Though now with Data and Lore established as being dead, their 'mother' might be the only one left (and she doesn't even know she is one).

What about the Emergency Medical Program ala Voyager. It has to have been put on a number of ships. (I think I remember seeing it in one of the last NORMAL trek movies) Anyway, the Doctor became a sentient hologram. I think there was that one Voyager episode where he tried to lead a revolt for slave holo programs (not saying I liked Voyager, just using it as an example )
I think the average hologram is a tool, but some holograms break out of the mold. Moriariti being one and The Doctor being another.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I don't think the EMH became sentient, it (like Vic Fontaine) knew he was a hologram and what he was designed to do. It would make no sense for the programme not to know what it is and its limitations. It was programmed to learn and adapt, and its personality was all established before anyone even turned him on.

Circumstance forced him to take on the role of CMO, which led to him being active for far longer than ever intended, that led to the mobile emitter, away missions, development of a social life, etc. In the end he became an annoying over-achieving basically-human character, the only difference being he could be switched off.

The whole holographic rights crap was just painful to watch and I felt it was a non-issue being rammed down our throats, in an attempt for later-VOY seasons to still be addressing important social issues. What was going to come next: a workers union for replicators?

 

[Galileo7]

Would early sexual experiences be holographic?

Undoubtedly.

Agree. Teenagers + holodeck =

 

[Rarewolf]

By that standard we could say if Lore rapes someone that it wasn't rape since Lore is a machine.

Lore isn't a holodeck character, he is an intelligent being, so it would be rape, or if consensual then sex.

If someone programmed a non-thinking android to assault you, then still rape, because that "someone" is again an intelligent being employing a machine.

If "someone" (again) programmed the holodeck character for sex activity, then the aspect of consent comes into play, if your consent is present, then it's masterbation with a moving, but not living object.

But supposing someone was running a recreation of a crime fiction - hunting down a rapist - and the holodeck had one of its occassional faults, turning hunted into hunter. They could hardly blame a 20th century writer if their character got out of control. But nor would it be consentual from the player.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Of course people lose their virginity. That will continue as long as people are having sex. It doesn't matter if one's partner is a hologram, an android/gynoid, or whatever. It's still sex. And thus it is still a loss of virginity.

 

[GulGoneCrazy]

One silly question ...ermm ...when holographic adventure is over where fluids like sperm or whatever other aliens have go ? when simulation is over it falls on the floor?and u must clean it before someone comes?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The ship cleans itself. Make of that what you will.

 

[RB_Kandy]

First, let's tackle the question of what is virginity.
We can rule out that it means achieving orgasm, because masturbation would mean you lost your virginity.

Virginity is only a concept, and a rather lucid one.
There is a surgery called hymenoplasty that claims to restore a woman's virginity by re-establishing the hymen. In some cultures an in tact hymen is valued in a woman before marriage as proof of their virginity, which is why the surgery was created (to help lie about being a virgin).

However, a hymen can be busted by things such as gynecological examinations. And very young girls can re-establish their hymen after penetration.
If a busted hymen means loss of virginity, there are a lot of former town prostitutes that become born again virgins via surgery, and lots of little girls who lose their virginity to their gynecologist.

I have known catholic girls who will allow you to put it in their rear, but not the vagina, because their religion commands them to remain virgins until marriage.

Sorry to sound like a feminist, but...
The cultural importance of virginity is just one of the peculiarities among the sexes. A woman is valuable if still a virgin, and a man is a loser if by adult age hasn't lost his virginity. This is an extension of the anomaly that males are to "conquer" women, women are to resist being conquered by men. The oldest gender double standard.

I've always assumed a man's obsession with a virgin woman as wife is based on his penis size insecurity.
If she is a virgin he can say "yes honey, I am considered big for a guy. 5 inches is rare. And yes, lasting 3 minutes is normal, and yes it is supposed to be a little uncomfortable for the woman"
If she's been with other men she'll know 5 inches ain't big, 3 minutes ain't long, and no, sex isn't supposed to feel uncomfortable.

Now to sound like a misogynist.
The comparison of a blow up doll or modern day sex toy, with the magic we've seen from Holodecks is not a fair comparison.
Comparing artificial technology like the holodeck to real world sex is like comparing a pen and paper to your computer's word processor. Sure there's a big difference, but we probably do more typing today than hand writing. Meaning, the technology to type crystal clear fonts and spell check has surpassed the need to scribble on paper and write on cave walls with chalk, or etch symbols into stone.
I genuinely believe that if holodecks were real, very few men would ever in their lives pursue a real life woman. The difficulty in getting sex from a woman is immense. You gotta be healthy, good looking, confident, financially independent, have a great personality, put up with her incessant rambling about men being evil pigs, all of the jerks she's dated, how cute her cat is, what her friend Jenny is doing, the cute pair of shoes she seen at the mall, it's like baby sitting a child and listening to it drone on about things incoherently. And then she asks you questions like what do you do for a living, do you go to college, how many women have you been with, do you have a house a car etc. It feels like you're being interviewed for a job. And the date is going to cost you a fortune, and you're not getting sex 99% of the time, and she's going to give it up to that jerk named Dominic that she swears she hates so much, and you come a little bit closer to swallowing the barrel of that .357 magnum. Hey, if there was a holodeck near by, that annoying date would never take place for a guy.
And you may be thinking "oh but a hologram can never really love you". I'm not convinced there is real love. You're a woman and you lose your looks, your husband loses his love for you. You're a guy who loses his job, your wife loses her love for you.
And you may think "but she can never act like a truly human woman" and I say "that's bad because?"

Besides, if there was a holodeck, you could create more than "a hot chick" you could create the woman of your dreams. Imagine a perfect replica of, Alyson Hannigan, Jewel Kiltcher, Jeri Ryan, Karen Gillan (the chick that played Amy Pond on Doctor Who), or any other celeb you got a crush on.
And you may be thinking "but they couldn't act just like those celebrities" Yeah, well we don't know what those celebrities act like now and we still lust after them!

But does it count as sex? Sure. If she looks real, smells, feels, and tastes real, well than it's pretty real.
Look at it like this, could a hologram fool you? If you went into a simulation of some event with a few people you know, and you knew there were going to be dozens of participants that you didn't know, and some holograms of people, would your average star trek character know who the real one is and who the artificial one is? Too many times the answer has been "no". Like when they wake up and they are in a holodeck or some mind control and the people around them aren't real but they didn't catch on to that in the beginning.
So if you have sex with a hologram, and you thought they were real, and never found out the truth, you'd consider it sex.

But to get back to the original question. What would people in a star trek universe most likely lose their virginity to?

Well, B.
Today, very few people lose their virginity to a prostitute. The main reason, prostitutes are typically nasty looking, nasty acting, and dripping with disease. Banging a prostitute is like scoring with a leper.

So the only addition in star trek to real life today is, Holodecks.
Well, if Quark is charging money to use one by the hour, something tells me Holodecks are hard to come by and are very expensive.
If a holodeck were as common as a refrigerator, oh yeah, everyone, and I mean everyone, is losing their virginity to a hologram.
Now when it comes to girls losing their virginity... same thing. Females do not pay for sex, they're not wired like that, sex for a woman, in spite of being a desire, is a tool that serves a function. Thus girls are losing their virginity to one of the hundreds of guys throwing their phone number at them. However, if holodecks are as common as refrigerators, no guy is asking her out. And let's face it, all those tweens and young teens reading Twilight and crushing on Robert Pattinson, and a holodeck in the next room, and no boy in the world is asking her out? Yeah, that's how they're losing their virginity in the future.
Although holodecks cost money, and the men in them can't generate revenue, thus women will seek out male humans in spite of getting sex from the holodeck, because the needs of men and women are different.

And assuming I'm right, what does it say about humanity?
Well, to me it says, humans are sex based creatures, as are all life forms, men and women have different needs, humans are superficial, human beings cannot live up to the expectations we create. Men don't love women they merely tolerate them, we love sex and seek validation of worth by earning their approval. Women don't love men, they love what men can do for them, and seek validation of worth by what caliber of man she can attract, this is why when loser males ask them for a date and think they had a shot with her it offends her that he actually thought he had a shot. The reason women do like sex is based on the evolutionary principal of needing to tease men to control them, but needing to please them to keep them, thus a mechanism for desiring that sex has to be present. All of our actions in life are somehow related to our goal of moving up the latter of the mating pool so that the best genes are paired with the best genes, the alpha males pairing with the alpha females to create the ruling class and the beta males pairing with the beta females to create the servant class, and we humans will cheat this system first chance we get.

 

[T'Girl]

One silly question ...ermm ...when holographic adventure is over where fluids like sperm or whatever other aliens have go

If you're having a adventure on the holodeck and you have say a bowel movement at some point, when the holodeck adventure ends and the room is emptied, do you think your waste would somehow still be present on the floor?

When all the physical objects in the holodeck are removed, food, drink, trash, what have you, then bodily fluid would be removed too.

*

But supposing someone was running a recreation of a crime fiction - okay, with you so far.

hunting down a rapist - keep going.

and the holodeck had one of its occassional faults - right.

turning hunted into hunter - yeah.

They could hardly blame a 20th century writer if their character got out of control - no, you would blame the individual who maintains the holodeck or possible the team that designed the safety system program.

But nor would it be consensual from the player - I agree. If I took my family onto a holodeck for a lovely day at a ocean beach, there was a malfunction and we were all killed by a tidal wave, that wouldn't be consensual. Even given that there exist the possibility of a fault, there is a reasonable expectation of safety.

First, let's tackle the question of what is virginity.
We can rule out that it means achieving orgasm, because masturbation would mean you lost your virginity.

For a heterosexuals, or gay males, it's usually considered penis penetration intercourse (pitching or catching) and not oral sex. For lesbians it's a little tougher to define, they can of course vaginally penetrate all the way up to the lower forearm, but in their case, and not others, oral is the cause of lose of virginity. Oral being the main defining type of sexual union for lesbians.

Virginity is only a concept, and a rather lucid one.

Virginity is a state of being, and a personal quality.

There is a surgery called hymenoplasty that ...

If you are stabbed, and a doctor sews you up, you were still stabbed.

If a busted hymen means loss of virginity ...

In of itself, no.

I have known catholic girls who will allow you to put it in their rear ...

First, do you have some phone numbers?

Second, that's consensual sexual intercourse and your good Catholic girls need to review the First Epistle to the Corinthians.

The difficulty in getting sex from a woman is immense.

Not for all men ... just you.

But does it count as sex? Sure. If she looks real, smells, feels, and tastes real, well than it's pretty real.

If it is a holodeck character, then "it" isn't a "she." When it come right down to it, "she" is a device, part of a mechanism. The mechanism might be built into the walls and ceiling where you can't immediately see it, but it is there. The personality of your sex toy isn't in the body with you, it located in the ship's computer some distance away, and is a work of fiction. And your sex play is with this elaborate system, not with a "she."

Look at it like this, could a hologram fool you?

If I was the one who summoned it onto the holodeck, no.

... sex for a woman, in spite of being a desire, is a tool that serves a function.

Not even close.

Men don't love women they merely tolerate them ...

Uh?

Women don't love men, they love what men can do for them ...

Uh?

The reason women do like sex is based on the evolutionary principal of needing to tease men to control them ...

Uh?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Now to sound like a misogynist.

Well, you certainly accomplished that.

Most everything you said after that statement is wrong and offensive.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Now to sound like a misogynist.
The comparison of a blow up doll or modern day sex toy, with the magic we've seen from Holodecks is not a fair comparison.

It's completely fair and apt. Neither actually is sex; they're aids to masturbation for the lazy, unimaginative or just too tired.

The difficulty in getting sex from a woman is immense. You gotta be healthy, good looking, confident, financially independent, have a great personality.

Please. Walk into any Burger King on a Saturday and check out the families. Clearly, none of what you assert is true. Most folks manage to find suitable partners for some period of their lives.

... put up with her incessant rambling about men being evil pigs, all of the jerks she's dated, how cute her cat is, what her friend Jenny is doing, the cute pair of shoes she seen at the mall, it's like baby sitting a child and listening to it drone on about things incoherently.

Who are you dating? Sorry, but this is why reasonably sane people get to know one another before they sleep together.

In confusing hypothetical hologram-assisted masturbation with sex you've kind of missed the emotional reasons most people are motivated to have sex. Lonely guys don't need holodecks to get off any more than they need to learn how to get along with other human beings to do so - not as long as the Internet exists.

 

[JarodRussell]

For me, the term "losing your virginity" is fairly ridiculous. In actuality, you don't "lose" anything, rather, you GAIN an experience - in the best of what life has to offer!

Good, I was afraid I was the I the only one who sees losing your virginity as "losing your innocence" or, better put, "making the first experience in a new area"? Virginity is not only about sex, in my opinion, it's simply a word for "I've never made that experience yet".

It's not the physical, it's the mental part. Who cares about the hymen? It gets ripped during sports most of the time anyway. You do not lose your sexual virginity during sports.

It's the experience of the act of making love to/with another person. You do not lose that kind of virginity by masturbation, your do not lose it by fucking a blow up doll. If you never made the experience of having sex with a real person, yeah well, then you never made that experience. It's that simple. And unless you suffer from memory loss, you cannot get your "virginity" in that specific area back.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yep.

Holodecks are blow-up dolls.

 

[RB_Kandy]

If it is a holodeck character, then "it" isn't a "she." When it come right down to it, "she" is a device, part of a mechanism. The mechanism might be built into the walls and ceiling where you can't immediately see it, but it is there. The personality of your sex toy isn't in the body with you, it located in the ship's computer some distance away, and is a work of fiction. And your sex play is with this elaborate system, not with a "she."

Well I see the point of course. But I am still insistent that the definition of Virgin is a bit lucid and open to interpretation.
You make the argument that "she" is a device. But our body's are devices that serve the will of the brain. You also state that the personality of the hologram is not with you. Well, if you have sex with an unconscious woman, her personality and brain are unaware of the act, but you'd still be a rapist. And if it was your first time with a woman, you would have lost your virginity in that crime as well. As for the unconscious woman, she may or may not have lost her virginity. Some people consider a raped woman to no longer be a virgin. It's all in interpretation. It depends on anyone's definition. And so my point is: there are no absolutes, it really just comes down to interpretation of what virginity is.
Then comes the argument of whether or not a hologram can be sentient. If it is sentient, than it is a life form.

There is a surgery called hymenoplasty that ...

If you are stabbed, and a doctor sews you up, you were still stabbed.

I agree that a busted or in tact hymen is not a true question of virginity, though some people insist it is. Some people look at the principal of a law or concept, others look at the technical definitions. Freedom of speech idealistically is a constitutional rule that forbids a government entity from persecuting someone for their beliefs or statements. Technically speaking, it's a restriction that applies only to congress. So congress made FCC,and FCC makes laws against what you can say, but only in the field of broadcasting rights. So we have the spirit of the meaning being trampled on, but we have the technical words of the law being obeyed.

I have known catholic girls who will allow you to put it in their rear ...

First, do you have some phone numbers?


Second, that's consensual sexual intercourse and your good Catholic girls need to review the First Epistle to the Corinthians.

Very funny LOL, but no,I don't have their numbers because I don't do that.
I agree these girls aren't virgins, nor are they accurately obeying their bible, but I tossed that in there as an example of some of the ridiculous interpretations of virginity.

The difficulty in getting sex from a woman is immense.

Not for all men ... just you.

Well it's true that some men are alphas and got game etc, and it's true that I am not one of those men. But as a rule of thumb, getting sex from a woman is difficult. Men are obsessed with learning how to do it. If this were not true, advertizements to the male demographic would not use beautiful women and the implication that "if you owned this product, beautiful women like this put out for you". To quote Bill Maur, "for a man to walk into a bar and get a date he'd have to be ruler of the world. For a woman to go to a bar and get a date, all she has to do is her hair".
Men buy drinks for women, not the reverse, men pay for the dinner, not the reverse. When girls go to a party, they don't bring the booze, the boys do. Bars have ladies night and so on to entice the girls to come. Males are constantly putting forth effort to get sex, women are putting forth effort to keep saying no.
And to quote David Chapelle "If a man could live in a cardboard box and get laid, a man would never bother owning a house" That is so true. Nearly all of the success and riches, and materials a guy owns is related to trying to impress women with his social dominance and financial success.


You disagreed with these two statements of mine
1. Sex for a woman, in spite of being a desire, is a tool that serves a function.
2. The reason women do like sex is based on the evolutionary principal of needing to tease men to control them.


Those statements are rather intertwined, and your argument is equal for both, so I will address those statements as one.
If you give something away it has no value. "Putting out" must have value for a woman to survive. It can be argued that due to modern times and equal rights job opportunities this is no longer true, however, I still see the same drives at work here. Women prefer a bread winning husband over a stay at home unemployed husband.
Sure women want sex, but have you ever asked yourself why they are so picky, why even when they find a super handsome hunk they don't just put out immediately? Ever wonder why women furiously hate other women who put out easily? It all has to do with a woman's consent to sex having a value.


You then argue these two points
1. Men don't love women, they merely tolerate them.
2. Women don't love men, they love what men can do for them.


This is more of a philosophical take on things.
I suppose I am wrong about that whole "we don't love each other thing" and I put far too much emphasis on the evolutionary reason why we have a "love" emotion to begin with. And so I guess in that regard I can't see the forest for the trees.
But I am just thinking back to all the painful dates I have been on. I've made the statement often that homosexuality isn't a choice because god knows if it were I'd choose to be gay and that would make my life a lot simpler.
I could walk up to the average guy, have a conversation, and find that me and him have a lot in common and spending time with him would most likely be fun. Not so with the average woman. Me and the average woman will have nothing in common. Her idea of a good time is shopping and gossiping, and having guys spend money on her to take her places. I wish i could find a girl who knew something about computers, or physics or classic horror movies, or watched Sci fi for that matter. What I end up with is a vegetarian, animal loving, militant gay rights activist, pseudo bisexual, man hating feminist with daddy issues, left wing liberal hippie flower child who is as shallow as the kiddie pool but thinks she's deep because she has a million in one political opinions (all of which are stupid) like guns are bad, national boarders are bad because we should all share, oh and writes dark depressing poetry about slitting their wrist because their ex cheated on them. They spend the entire date whining about what jerks their ex boyfriends are, what their gal pals are up to, their stupid cat, and other subjects which give me flashbacks of being a little kid stuck at the dinner table on Thanksgiving with all the old ladies in my family squawking about everything and yet nothing.
There are times I've actually had one of my friends call me so I could answer my phone and make an excuse as to why we had to cut the date short and skip the movies. I figure that'll save me a few hours and a few bucks.
One date I canceled before it got started. I called her that morning, and she was so annoying on the phone, I just couldn't see me spending the rest of the day putting up with that crap for the off chance that it could one day ever lead to sex.
And I recall two of my guy friends who would go out on dates often, and then whine about what a dumb person she was.
I remember things like me and my cousin, at 24 and 25 years old, driving these two girls up to a playground on the outskirts of Baltimore at 11 o'clock at night. And them running around and acting stupid, and these girls were both 19. And they're just acting like stupid hyper kids. And I ask my cousin "dude, what the hell are we doing out here?" he replies "I don't know, I thought we were stopping off at the liquor store, and then taking them back to my house". And then the cops pulled into the parking lot. And the one girl, the Hispanic one, can't remember her name, she runs away when she sees the cops. She ran into the public bathroom. So me and my cousin are trying to get her to come out. And the cop basically told us we can't be there because the park's closed. When we were driving off we asked the Hispanic girl why she went into the bathroom. We had assumed she was dumping drugs or something. But she just insisted that she was scared. And then they both started acting hyper and goofy and singing these dumb songs together. And we took them to their house dropped them off, and peeled wheels getting out of there.
I have a dozen more stories like that. But the point I'm making is, I was just thinking back on all of those really bad dates, realizing that all of those girls I went on a date with probably have kids and a husband or steady boyfriend by now, and have never changed there ways. Thus the guys that are with them don't love them, they are merely tolerating their behavior because she provides him with nookie.
And I think back to all the women I worked with in various retail stores, and their conversations they'd have about what a horrible horrible jerk their boyfriend's are, and completely talk trash about them. Well ya know something, if you have to talk that much trash about someone, than you don't really love them, you are merely tolerating them because they do something for you. Either they provide you with wealth, or they fulfill some psychological need such as sex, abuse, popularity, the re-affirmation of your self worth, a means to piss off daddy, to get back at your friend by dating her man, etc. If you loved someone (and not just what they can do for you) you wouldn't make it a daily habit to drag their name through the mud to anyone and everyone who will listen.


However, on more careful consideration, I look at both my grandparents, and I realize they did love each other. And their love had to go beyond sex and money.
My grand parents on my father's side especially. My grandmother at 80 was taking care of my 85 year old grandfather as he withered away in a wheelchair, unable to take care of himself. He hadn’t been in the health to get sex from her in many years, and she is probably acquiring more money now that he has passed away, than when he was alive. So alright, that's a case of true love. But do you have any idea how rare that is?


And maybe all those girls I dated that were so horrible, maybe they thought the same of me, and went home and told their friends about the loser who actually thought Burger King was a place to take a woman to for a date.


When you point at a man and woman and say "they're in love", unless it is some old couple celebrating their golden anniversary, all I see is young hormone filled men throwing their money away and putting up with a spoiled flower child, telling her every lie she wants to hear, for the opportunity to score. And I see the girl as only being with him because he shelling out the money to take her here and buy her that, and jump through her hoops, for the thrill of shooting him down and leaving him teased up, and showing off the bracelet that he bought her, to her gal pals to make them so jealous. I see selfishness and dishonesty on both sides.


But yeah, it's not always like that, just most of the time.
Of course it is entirely possible that I have grown old and bitter, and that I see everyone and everything through cynical pessimistic eyes.


But I stand by my statement that if holodecks were as common as refrigerators, we'd be losing our virginity to a hologram to avoid the absolutely infuriating headache of dating.


And to dig a little deeper into the "hologram is just a blow up doll", my main reason for disagreeing, even outside of the possibility that some hologram could have self awareness, is that a blow up doll is a substitute for what is really wanted. All masturbation toys are merely a substitute, merely settling, instead of what you really want. And I believe most males would be more content carrying on with a sophisticated hologram that felt like a real woman, than a real woman.
Let me show you what I mean.
For 50 bucks you can go out with either one of these two girls, or a hologram.
This is typical college girl 1
She is all about her feminism and ultra liberal political views. You are not permitted to disagree with her or you're a nazi bigot hater. And anyone who eats meat is a disgusting cannibal, and meat eating is a typical macho male thing because men are afraid of their feminine side.
She wants to save animals and become a veterinarian. She's also interested in psychology.
She will spend the entire time talking about politics, complaining that women aren't treated as equals, all the while enjoying the fact that you're paying for everything on this date.
Chances of getting laid on the first date 3%
Chances of getting laid within the first week of dating her 7%
Chances of getting laid within the first month 15% if you become a vegetarian, adopt a cat, join her gay rights protest every Sunday, and attend her men-are-pigs feminist meetings every Saturday.


Typical college girl #2
She's arrogant, immature, loud, obnoxious, intoxicated on something, and spends most of the date texting someone, probably some playa that she has a crush on, that is only going to call her back as a last resort for a booty call. But hey, at least she ain't a political activist, in fact when you ask her who she's voting for she answers "I don't know, Lil' Wayne?" leaving you wondering if that is her idea of a joke, or if she is serious.
Chances of getting laid on the first date 50%
Chances of getting an STD after getting laid 50%
Chances you will ever see her after the first date – 10% but 100% if you can hook her up with some weed (once you hook her up with the weed, she'll invite her new boyfriend over so you can hook him up with weed too).


Now meet our hologram, our blow up doll.
She feels as real as any living woman.
She is polite and simulates a conversation very well.
She is classy and very well educated, in fact, she has the entire world encyclopedia downloaded into her matrix. She could help you do your college homework. As for her politics, she doesn’t have any political beliefs, but is well versed in political theory. She sings and plays the piano (technically this is a picture of Jewel Kiltcher thus it should be guitar she plays LOL). As for her turn on's, well, whatever you're into, she's into.
Chances of getting laid on the first date – 100%
Chances of seeing you for a second date – if you got 50 bucks, you got the day with her.
Draw back? She's not technically real. But in the heat of the moment, your penis doesn't know that.


In such a world, with these options, a real human woman doesn't stand a chance. And the human race goes extinct.


Again, it is possible that I have just become too cynical and pessimistic, and perhaps my eyes do not see things accurately.
Maybe my two examples of what a typical college girl is, is wrong. Maybe, but to me, my depiction of them both in image and in personality is hitting the nail on the head.


And my statement in my earlier post about the burden of attracting a mate when your male including good looks, health, wealth, etc. I wasn't implying that women aren't equally burdened by the expectations of men. They have to be thin, clear young skin, big curves in the right places etc.
I was merely pointing out that attracting a mate is a challenge, and scoring with one that meets your expectations is a very big challenge.


I am not saying that all women are like the one's I describe, nor am I saying dates go as I have described. I am merely explaining the most common dates "I" or my friends have been on. I am also not suggesting that women can't have bad dates with guys, or even frequently having bad dates with guys. I am not a woman, and I never been on a date with a guy, though I have double dated. point is, i can't tell what a disaster any given date has been from a woman's point of view, because I am not a woman. I am also willing to admit that the majority of the bad dates I have been on can be explained by me being a loser who can't get the phone number of a classy down to earth woman. I can say with certainty that me and the friends I grew up with, we'd all have preferred dating a hot hologram in a holodeck than the real life obnoxious bubble brains we were used to shelling out money on.
But who knows, your experiences may differ.

 

[Darth Duck]

I just don't even know how to...what the... huh?

 

[RB_Kandy]

I just don't even know how to...what the... huh?

I can help you. I have a red pill and a blue pill. If you take the red pill it will all become clear, but then you are stuck with the knowledge forever.
If you take the blue pill, you will forget this thread ever existed and live in ignorant bliss.

 

[T'Girl]

... and I never been on a date with a guy

I can't help but wonder if that might work better for you. You could date and have sexual relations, without the encumberment of interacting with females. I know a few gay men who don't particularly like socializing with women, and there are some private gay clubs that won't let women in the door.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

My question is, how would sex with a holodeck character work if you're a woman? We've seen from countless TNG and VOY episodes when the Doctor tries leaving Sickbay, his arm or whatever extremity just disappears. Now, unless the woman (or dude) has holoemitters in her vagina (or his bunghole), wouldn't the penis just disappear around the point insertion would occur?