Niners Unite...around Babylon 5! - The Lost Threads

[Sindatur]

I don't think it should have been inserted. One of the things I like about Season 1 (And don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the season but it's not as good as Seasons 2-4) is the mystery surrounding Sinclair and why the Minbari surrendered. To insert that line takes a little bit away from that mystery in episodes like And the Sky Full of Stars, doesn't it. Of course having known the series already, it's not much of a spoiler, but I'm just not sure it was wise to reveal everything right up front like that.

How can anyone who hasn't seen the Series yet, possibly remember those couple "made up" words spoken early in the Pilot, with no clue what the words mean, spoil something 3 1/2 years down the line in episodes? Nah, those words mean nothing, until you see it all played out 3 seasons later.

That's true. Maybe it's just my reaction that after watching the whole series and finally watching The Gathering again, the answers were right there from the start. Very sneaky of JMS to do that, even though I wonder how my reaction will be watching an episode like And the Sky full of Stars, which is an episode I remember really liking

And the Sky Full of Stars was the first episode I realized there was way more to the Series then meets the eye. I don't remember anything in it, that relates to that line though. I think it's not until War Without End you find out what those words mean. If it was in English, yea, it would be easy enough to remember, but, since it's in Minbari, not so much a problem, methinks

 

[Jan]

... but I actually didn't remember a lot of it on the rewatch. For one, I was surprised that they gave us a huge spoiler right at the beginning which makes me wonder if it was an appropriate start to the series.

If it's the spoiler I'm thinking of, one reason why you might not remember from seeing the original is because that one word *wasn't* in the original cut - it was added during the re-edit done when the show moved to TNT. But reall, if you were watching it for the first time, it really wouldn't have been a spoiler.

Jan

 

[ILOVETREK1701]

The truth is usually just a excuse for a lack of imagination.
- Garak

Garak is wonderful.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Hey guys ... I was just thinking ... if you could have a B5 character meet a DS9 character ... well what characters would you have meet up to compare notes?

 

[Sindatur]

Hey guys ... I was just thinking ... if you could have a B5 character meet a DS9 character ... well what characters would you have meet up to compare notes?

Morden and Weyoun could be really fun

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Yeah, I think we went over that in TheGodBen's review thread, it would go something like this:

"What do you want?"

"To serve the Founders...in all things".

Then they stare at each other for five minutes with smarmy, slightly creepy smiles on their faces.

Then they part on "friendly" terms, each knowing the other has decided that they and everything they stand for must be destroyed.

Heh.

I'd like Londo and Dukat to meet. They seemed to be on opposite trajectories. Dukat starts out pretty "evil" but kind of has a redemption arc, only to take a downward spiral to eventually become almost Satanic. Londo starts out friendly and boisterious, more of a comic relief character, gets much darker, and eventually becomes an almost tragic ... when, maybe not hero, but certainly not a bad guy.

I dunno, I suppose in a way though Dukat could be more like Cartagia ...

 

[Sindatur]

Yeah, I think we went over that in TheGodBen's review thread, it would go something like this:

"What do you want?"

"To serve the Founders...in all things".

Then they stare at each other for five minutes with smarmy, slightly creepy smiles on their faces.

Then they part on "friendly" terms, each knowing the other has decided that they and everything they stand for must be destroyed.

Heh.

I'd like Londo and Dukat to meet. They seemed to be on opposite trajectories. Dukat starts out pretty "evil" but kind of has a redemption arc, only to take a downward spiral to eventually become almost Satanic. Londo starts out friendly and boisterious, more of a comic relief character, gets much darker, and eventually becomes an almost tragic ... when, maybe not hero, but certainly not a bad guy.

I dunno, I suppose in a way though Dukat could be more like Cartagia ...

Oooh, yea, Dukhat and Cartagia could be a blast. Imagine Dukhat's approving look while watching Cartagia rinsing the blood off his hands

Vir and Damar coming from Opposite ends of the spectrum, but, ending up in the same place.

Oh, and imagine the verbal smackdown Delenn could give Kai Winn

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

I always thought Vir and Rom were very similar. They both started out as buffoonish characters who seemed atypical of their species and they both wound up the leaders of their respective people. Vir had to go through a lot darker stuff, though.

Now, who would Kosh meet?

Oh, and imagine the verbal smackdown Delenn could give Kai Winn

All it would take is a look....

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Marcus and Bashir have some similarities, I bet they would become instant rivals.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Marcus and Bashir have some similarities, I bet they would become instant rivals.

Hmm ... somehow I'd rather see Bashir and Franklin comparing notes ... I know, I know, just because they're both doctors, doesn't mean they're similar ... but I just have this image in my head of Franklin explaining Centauri anatomy to Bashir:

Bashir: They have six?!

And for some reason I would really love Kosh to just stroll up and something really cryptic to Sisko ... or anyone really.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Garak.

Kosh should stroll up and say something really cryptic to Garak.

In fact, I demand a Garak/Kosh crossover episode.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Tell me you have an idea how that conversation would go ...

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

KOSH: "Understanding is a three-edged sword."
GARAK: "Delightful phrase. What precisely does it mean, good sir?"
KOSH: "Yes."

BASHIR: "Even the lies?"
GARAK: "Especially the lies."
KOSH: "Then the willows must scuttle carefully."
BASHIR: "Suddenly, Garak, you make a lot of sense."

GARAK: "All this so-called democracy... frankly, Kosh, it offends my senses."
KOSH: "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
GARAK: "Exactly! Exactly. With the Dominion looming over our heads, there's no time for such... idle fancies."
KOSH: "They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass."
GARAK: "Who? The Federation or the Dominion?"
KOSH: "Yes."
QUARK: "I really hate it when he does that."

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

KOSH: "Understanding is a three-edged sword."
GARAK: "Delightful phrase. What precisely does it mean, good sir?"
KOSH: "Yes."

BASHIR: "Even the lies?"
GARAK: "Especially the lies."
KOSH: "Then the willows must scuttle carefully."
BASHIR: "Suddenly, Garak, you make a lot of sense."

GARAK: "All this so-called democracy... frankly, Kosh, it offends my senses."
KOSH: "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
GARAK: "Exactly! Exactly. With the Dominion looming over our heads, there's no time for such... idle fancies."
KOSH: "They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass."
GARAK :"Who? The Federation or the Dominion?"
KOSH: "Yes."
QUARK: "I really hate it when he does that."

I love you.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Wow, thanks!

 

[Sindatur]

KOSH: "Understanding is a three-edged sword."
GARAK: "Delightful phrase. What precisely does it mean, good sir?"
KOSH: "Yes."

BASHIR: "Even the lies?"
GARAK: "Especially the lies."
KOSH: "Then the willows must scuttle carefully."
BASHIR: "Suddenly, Garak, you make a lot of sense."

GARAK: "All this so-called democracy... frankly, Kosh, it offends my senses."
KOSH: "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
GARAK: "Exactly! Exactly. With the Dominion looming over our heads, there's no time for such... idle fancies."
KOSH: "They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass."
GARAK: "Who? The Federation or the Dominion?"
KOSH: "Yes."
QUARK: "I really hate it when he does that."

Six Tentacles up

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

^ Yeah see, all I could think of was:
*Kosh glides up to Sisko*

Kosh: You have always been here.
*Kosh glides away. Sisko raises his eyebrows at Sheridan.*
Sheridan: *shrugs* Yeah ... he does that.

Come to think of it, Sisko and Sheridan should meet ... or certainly Sisko and Sinclair:

Sinclair: So ... you're basically Bajoran Jesus, then?
Sisko: Yeah, pretty much.
Sinclair: Hmm. I'm Minbari Jesus myself.
Sisko: Cool. *they shake hands* *Long pause*
Sinclair: Sooo ... you wanna talk socks?
Sisko: I'm beginning to see why they replaced you.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Hahaha.

Imagine if Kosh were in the wormhole in the pilot episode of DS9, forced to explain linear time to the Prophets. I think that would be the most confusing, convoluted, longwinded and ultimately, seemingly completely aimless script a writer would ever be tasked with.

 

[The Lensman]

Londo starts out friendly and boisterious, more of a comic relief character, gets much darker, and eventually becomes an almost tragic ... when, maybe not hero, but certainly not a bad guy.

Londo was definitely a tragic character and he knows full well what he's done, and had no illusions about what he deserved in regards to that. He lucked out and was able to escape his due for awhile, but in the end.....

At any rate, I think Londo and Garak would've been entertaining to watch in conversation. They were probably the most fun to watch.....Garak with his cryptic wording, Londo with his comedic wit.....the conversation might not be long, but it'd be classic, that's for sure.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Hahaha.

Imagine if Kosh were in the wormhole in the pilot episode of DS9, forced to explain linear time to the Prophets. I think that would be the most confusing, convoluted, longwinded and ultimately, seemingly completely aimless script a writer would ever be tasked with.

Is that a challenge?

Oh what the hell, I'll give it a go:

Kosh: You do not understand, but you will.
Prophets: Will?
Kosh: In the future.
Prophets: Future?
KosH: Yes.
Propehts: But you exist here.
Kosh: Yes. I have always been here.
Prophets: Always ... never ... these have no meaning to us.
Kosh: You are a closed circle. You are returning to the beginning.
Prophets: Beginning?
Kosh: .....You do not understand.
Propehts: No, we don't.

*Approximately five billion years later ... or yesterday.*

*Kosh exits the wormhole, muttering what sounds suspiciously like a string of Vorlon expletives. He fetches Sisko from the station and brings him back into the wormhole with him.*

Sisko: Why am I here?
Kosh: You have always -
Sisko: Oh don't give me that crap. You couldn't figure out how to explain linear time to them, could you?
Kosh: Impudent!
Sisko: Up yours!