At least 12 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

[Sindatur]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

Can we stop the idiocy? This is, in the words of President Obama, "senseless" and "evil" and should be condemned as such. End of story. The person who did this should be dealt with in as harsh a way as is legally possible.

BTW, people should really not be using the word 'tragedy' to describe this situation. It's a crime and should be referred to as such.

Yes, absolutely it's a heinous crime, but, I can't imagine how you can believe it's not a tragedy. There is nothing about the definition of Tragedy that exempts Heinous crimes from being tragic

 

[Set Harth]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

Gun nuts are bad people.

Who knew?

 

[Derishton]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

Technically, "tragedy" means a terrible thing that someone brings on themselves; it has come to mean something deeply sad or horrifying. It's a complicated word, which is probably why it tends to attract adjectives like "senseless", "preventable," "terrible" - all getting at different aspects.

 

[JarodRussell]

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I'm very surprised the media hasn't made any connections to the Bane character yet.

 

[BillJ]

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To me, the word 'tragedy' implies, at least to me, that this is not something that could have been anticipated or prevented, which is why I think it is inappropriate to use that word.

I sure in the hell would've never anticipated something like this happening or else I would've never let my wife and daughter go last night. Not sure if it was preventable either. If not guns guy could've come in tossing homemade explosives.

Definitely a crime but also a tragedy.

 

[Gaith]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

I said your priorities were fucked up, not that you are a monster.

How is any hypothetical person "more concerned about why there were kids at a midnight screening than the fact that a dozen people were senselessly killed" not a monster?

 

[Derishton]

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After the whole Bain/Bane "we can't be bothered to read Wikipedia" lunacy of the past week, it's clear they don't know enough about Bane to make any connections.

 

[BillJ]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

Nuts can be bad people.

Who knew?

Fixed it for you.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

I said your priorities were fucked up, not that you are a monster.

How is any hypothetical person "more concerned about why there were kids at a midnight screening than the fact that a dozen people were senselessly killed" not a monster?

I dunno, maybe you should ask someone who is in the habit of casually dehumanizing people.

 

[Gaith]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

I said your priorities were fucked up, not that you are a monster.

How is any hypothetical person "more concerned about why there were kids at a midnight screening than the fact that a dozen people were senselessly killed" not a monster?

I dunno, maybe you should ask someone who is in the habit of casually dehumanizing people.

Inane semantics. You made a vicious and baseless assumption about my concern for our fellow human beings. If you're cool with having done so, fine. I won't derail the thread any further on this account.

 

[DigificWriter]

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I apologize for trying to be the 'language police'. The word 'tragic' does definitely apply, but just because the word 'tragic' is applicable doesn't mean, to me, anyway, that the word 'tragedy' is applicable as well, because they might be similar words, but they're not identical words.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

How is any hypothetical person "more concerned about why there were kids at a midnight screening than the fact that a dozen people were senselessly killed" not a monster?

I dunno, maybe you should ask someone who is in the habit of casually dehumanizing people.

Inane semantics. You made a vicious and baseless assumption about my concern for our fellow human beings. If you're cool with having done so, fine.

Given that you made more than one post expressing disapproval of the parents who took their children to the film, you could forgive me for thinking you have misplaced priorities.

If all the victims were adults, would that make this any less heinous or upsetting? If not, then why is the presence of children an issue at all?

 

[Set Harth]

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I'm very surprised the media hasn't made any connections to the Bane character yet.

I'm not surprised the media hasn't picked up the connection with the scene in The Dark Knight Returns where a guy dressed as Batman shoots up a theater. Media talking heads don't tend to read comics.

 

[Sindatur]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

I apologize for trying to be the 'language police'. The word 'tragic' does definitely apply, but just because the word 'tragic' is applicable doesn't mean, to me, anyway, that the word 'tragedy' is applicable as well, because they might be similar words, but they're not identical words.

Tragedy has nothing to do with being preventable or anticipatable, though, even if it did, this isn't something that could be anticipated and not preventable, unless you anticipated and had guards at every exit/entrance.

Tragedy also has nothing to do with bringing something upon yourself, take for instance Shakespeare Tragedies, Romeo and Juliet didn't bring their family fued upon themselves

 

[Robert Maxwell]

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All tragedies are tragic, and everything that's tragic is a tragedy. It makes no sense to say one word applies but the other doesn't. They inhabit the exact same concept.

 

[Saul]

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Pointless to say, but this is sick. Can't imagine how terrible it must have been for those people who were excited to go out and see the movie.


I'm no saint when it comes to bbs disagreements but can we save the jokes and arguments for another day Gents?

 

[Derishton]

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Tragedy also has nothing to do with bringing something upon yourself, take for instance Shakespeare Tragedies, Romeo and Juliet didn't bring their family fued upon themselves

A) The play is about their families, deep down; their families lose the next generation because of their hate, which prevented Juliet and Romeo from telling anyone about their marriage. (They are also themselves incredible impulsive|). B) the technical definition of tragedy is found in Aristotle, whose discussion of it is the first full record we have: it's about hamartia, pride.

But in any event, the word has moved on from this, leaving a technical sense and a popular sense. Both are equally valid. This event is clearly a tragedy in the second sense.

 

[tomalak301]

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To me, the word 'tragedy' implies, at least to me, that this is not something that could have been anticipated or prevented, which is why I think it is inappropriate to use that word.

I don't know about you, but I did not anticipate waking up to the news of 14 deaths and 50 injuries in relation to going to a midnight Dark Knight showing. Seems like Tragedy is appropriate just because that's what it feels like to me.

Reading this this morning sickens me. I don't want to get on the high horse of gun control (Even though I'm starting to have a change of mind on that) but I just wonder why is our society so disgusting and crap like this happens more often than not. Hopefully the next few generations get things right because we certainly can't at the moment.

 

[JarodRussell]

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What the fuck is wrong with you people?

 

[BillJ]

Re: 14 killed, 50 injured at midnight showing of Batman movie

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

We Americans are seriously fucked in the head, of that I have no doubt.