The Dark Knight Rises Anticipation Station

[Allyn Gibson]

Inception was original.

No, it wasn't.

Awesome.

The Uncle Scrooge story a really cool story, by the way. Friends of mine have offered to buy that issue of Uncle Scrooge off me, and I won't part with it.

 

[Set Harth]

Inception also lifted a few things from Paprika, such as the dream elevator and a protagonist who doesn't dream normally anymore due to overuse of the dreamshare technology.

 

[Harvey]

Maybe that's the problem. I hadn't seen his earlier work. I also liked Inception but it probably could've been a good 30 minutes shorter and still as effective.

His first three films -- especially Memento -- are all worth seeing. I'd definitely recommend them.

 

[JarodRussell]

I made the mistake of watching the linear version of Memento, where it becomes apparent how stupid all the characters really are. Ruined the film for me.

 

[JD]

You know, I'm sure the movie will rock.... but this idea of crime in Gotham being virtually wiped out for 8 years still seems awfully odd to me.

This isn't supposed to be Seattle or something, that just had a small little outbreak of crime for a while. It's freakin Gotham City-- the most wretched, corrupt, and crime-filled city in the entire DC universe. I can't really see how Harvey's death would possibly change that, or affect the behavior of all the petty, desperate, small-time criminals out there.

In fact, in the comics anytime Batman was out of the picture the crime rate would shoot through the roof.

I'm hoping Nolan will do a proper job explaining how this all happened, and it's not something we have to "just accept" from the outset.

I don't think it's supposed to be that there is no crime at all anymore, I'm thinking it's just that there is nothing serious enough for them to need Batman.

 

[Warped9]

I don't think it's supposed to be that there is no crime at all anymore, I'm thinking it's just that there is nothing serious enough for them to need Batman.

This makes the most sense explaining Batman's absence.

 

[Set Harth]

I made the mistake of watching the linear version of Memento, where it becomes apparent how stupid all the characters really are. Ruined the film for me.

How are the characters stupid?

 

[InklingStar]

You know, I'm sure the movie will rock.... but this idea of crime in Gotham being virtually wiped out for 8 years still seems awfully odd to me.

This isn't supposed to be Seattle or something, that just had a small little outbreak of crime for a while. It's freakin Gotham City-- the most wretched, corrupt, and crime-filled city in the entire DC universe. I can't really see how Harvey's death would possibly change that, or affect the behavior of all the petty, desperate, small-time criminals out there.

In fact, in the comics anytime Batman was out of the picture the crime rate would shoot through the roof.

I'm hoping Nolan will do a proper job explaining how this all happened, and it's not something we have to "just accept" from the outset.

I don't think it's supposed to be that there is no crime at all anymore, I'm thinking it's just that there is nothing serious enough for them to need Batman.

I wonder if the Dent Act that has been mentioned is something of a police state type of crackdown. Sure, there is no crime, but it could be part of what incites Bane's revolution of sorts.

 

[stj]

Inception was original.

No, it wasn't.



On the discussion about Dent... how did Wayne prevent The Joker from telling the truth about Harvey Dent? Being in jail and going through the whole trial process would give him so much media attention, and there would be a lot of people who'd say "He's crazy, but I believe him."

Well, hell, now I have to lower my opinion of Nolan. He had the hard work done for him but he still forgot to have his two protagonists interact? Pathetic. Thanks for the link.

As for the Joker talking, that would imply the Batman movies are written as though the characters were real people (somewhere.) The Joker no more talks off screen than he spends two hours manhandling the hostages around the skyscraper or days sneaking explosives into the hospital. Essentially no one can even be pretended to exist when they're off screen. That's how Batman can move off screen on one side of a set of bad guys, then suddenly be on the other side without lumbering around in his Bat armour. He just wasn't anymore, then he was just somewhere else. No traveling involved. This kind of bad writing is unfortunately fairly common.

 

[sonak]

Inception was original. I can forgive a lot for that. Nolan screwed up the climax but so many movies are variations. Cleverness in variation has its satisfactions of course, but something more creative is never to be sneered at.

As to Nolan's Batman, the repeated insistence that his Batman is realistic keeps driving me to expect, well, realism, and the sharp disappointment tends to color whatever else the viewing experience has to offer. Aside from that, the cognitive dissonance when reading about realism and Batman's Nolan is very wearing. (Which also colors ones' anticipation of the viewing experience.) The only poster I've noticed before who seems to genuinely think Nolan isn't realistic in any ordinary sense is Lapis Exilis.

One thing I will note about the themes in the Batman movies is that they are very similar to Insomnia. For instance, the insistence that discrediting the man who put so many people away will result in villains on the street up to no ends of mischief. The thing is, none of the weaknesses in Insomnia (if you had to pin it down to just one thing, indulgence in hysteria as being "serious) are addressed in the Batman movies.

The Prestige addressed obsession, but none of the Batman movies really do anything different in Wayne's character. People seem to find plot points from various runs in Batman (all after my time reading the comics,) but personally I don't find anything from Nolan he didn't do just as well but more believably and entertainingly in Insomnia and The Prestige.

PS Yes, I own Insomnia and The Prestige but don't own any Nolan Batman. Indeed, I've only seen DKR the one time, in the theater. BB I've seen twice, the second time to see the Tom Wilkinson's speech as Maroni to Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne. I hallucinated that Maroni was being played by Denzel Washington and Bruce Wayne by Russell Crowe and that Nolan had spliced in outtakes from American Gangster just to mess with our heads.

I don't think Nolan's take on Batman is supposed to be true realism, just comic book realism. In other words, taking the ideas seriously, showing how it WOULD be if it were realistic. In that sense I think it succeeds brilliantly.

 

[Booji]

Seriously, are we gonna get any actual detective work in this flick? Or is it just gonna be ninjaman beats everyones ass part 3?

 

[Trekker4747]

Inception was original.

No, it wasn't.

Awesome.

I have that comic too, it's a bit more different than "Inception" but still pretty funnily damn close.

Seriously, are we gonna get any actual detective work in this flick? Or is it just gonna be ninjaman beats everyones ass part 3?

You must have missed the "detective work" Batman did in the second movie including some ballistics work, trying to track criminals with radioactively marked money, and other touches here and there.

 

[JD]

Inception was original. I can forgive a lot for that. Nolan screwed up the climax but so many movies are variations. Cleverness in variation has its satisfactions of course, but something more creative is never to be sneered at.

As to Nolan's Batman, the repeated insistence that his Batman is realistic keeps driving me to expect, well, realism, and the sharp disappointment tends to color whatever else the viewing experience has to offer. Aside from that, the cognitive dissonance when reading about realism and Batman's Nolan is very wearing. (Which also colors ones' anticipation of the viewing experience.) The only poster I've noticed before who seems to genuinely think Nolan isn't realistic in any ordinary sense is Lapis Exilis.

One thing I will note about the themes in the Batman movies is that they are very similar to Insomnia. For instance, the insistence that discrediting the man who put so many people away will result in villains on the street up to no ends of mischief. The thing is, none of the weaknesses in Insomnia (if you had to pin it down to just one thing, indulgence in hysteria as being "serious) are addressed in the Batman movies.

The Prestige addressed obsession, but none of the Batman movies really do anything different in Wayne's character. People seem to find plot points from various runs in Batman (all after my time reading the comics,) but personally I don't find anything from Nolan he didn't do just as well but more believably and entertainingly in Insomnia and The Prestige.

PS Yes, I own Insomnia and The Prestige but don't own any Nolan Batman. Indeed, I've only seen DKR the one time, in the theater. BB I've seen twice, the second time to see the Tom Wilkinson's speech as Maroni to Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne. I hallucinated that Maroni was being played by Denzel Washington and Bruce Wayne by Russell Crowe and that Nolan had spliced in outtakes from American Gangster just to mess with our heads.

I don't think Nolan's take on Batman is supposed to be true realism, just comic book realism. In other words, taking the ideas seriously, showing how it WOULD be if it were realistic. In that sense I think it succeeds brilliantly.

I really think the Nolan movies are pretty much as realistic as a serious take on Batman could possibly get. No matter what you do, there's still going to have to be a fair amount of suspension of disbelief for a serious take on the character to work. And IMO at least, the ratio of realism/SOD in the Nolan films has been pretty much perfect.
I noticed that in the official cast list, they just have Ann Hathaway listed as Selina Kyle, so I'm wondering if we won't actually hear the name Catwoman in the movie.

 

[sonak]

Inception was original. I can forgive a lot for that. Nolan screwed up the climax but so many movies are variations. Cleverness in variation has its satisfactions of course, but something more creative is never to be sneered at.

As to Nolan's Batman, the repeated insistence that his Batman is realistic keeps driving me to expect, well, realism, and the sharp disappointment tends to color whatever else the viewing experience has to offer. Aside from that, the cognitive dissonance when reading about realism and Batman's Nolan is very wearing. (Which also colors ones' anticipation of the viewing experience.) The only poster I've noticed before who seems to genuinely think Nolan isn't realistic in any ordinary sense is Lapis Exilis.

One thing I will note about the themes in the Batman movies is that they are very similar to Insomnia. For instance, the insistence that discrediting the man who put so many people away will result in villains on the street up to no ends of mischief. The thing is, none of the weaknesses in Insomnia (if you had to pin it down to just one thing, indulgence in hysteria as being "serious) are addressed in the Batman movies.

The Prestige addressed obsession, but none of the Batman movies really do anything different in Wayne's character. People seem to find plot points from various runs in Batman (all after my time reading the comics,) but personally I don't find anything from Nolan he didn't do just as well but more believably and entertainingly in Insomnia and The Prestige.

PS Yes, I own Insomnia and The Prestige but don't own any Nolan Batman. Indeed, I've only seen DKR the one time, in the theater. BB I've seen twice, the second time to see the Tom Wilkinson's speech as Maroni to Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne. I hallucinated that Maroni was being played by Denzel Washington and Bruce Wayne by Russell Crowe and that Nolan had spliced in outtakes from American Gangster just to mess with our heads.

I don't think Nolan's take on Batman is supposed to be true realism, just comic book realism. In other words, taking the ideas seriously, showing how it WOULD be if it were realistic. In that sense I think it succeeds brilliantly.

I really think the Nolan movies are pretty much as realistic as a serious take on Batman could possibly get. No matter what you do, there's still going to have to be a fair amount of suspension of disbelief for a serious take on the character to work. And IMO at least, the ratio of realism/SOD in the Nolan films has been pretty much perfect.
I noticed that in the official cast list, they just have Ann Hathaway listed as Selina Kyle, so I'm wondering if we won't actually hear the name Catwoman in the movie.

Right, that's pretty much what I mean. We know that "Batman" as such is not going to play out realistically, but the Nolan films are as serious and realistic a take on the character as you can get. Compare them to previous versions of the character, and it's not even close.

 

[Set Harth]

I wonder if the Dent Act that has been mentioned is something of a police state type of crackdown. Sure, there is no crime, but it could be part of what incites Bane's revolution of sorts.

Stop-and-frisk would be a good start.

 

[mr.peany]

The entire soundtrack courtesy of Empire....epic.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498

 

[JarodRussell]

I really think the Nolan movies are pretty much as realistic as a serious take on Batman could possibly get. No matter what you do, there's still going to have to be a fair amount of suspension of disbelief for a serious take on the character to work. And IMO at least, the ratio of realism/SOD in the Nolan films has been pretty much perfect.
I noticed that in the official cast list, they just have Ann Hathaway listed as Selina Kyle, so I'm wondering if we won't actually hear the name Catwoman in the movie.

I also think the Batman films are "realistic". Just look at Batman himself. And compare him to Iron Man. Batman actually feels like a real person. Realistic impacts. Realistic injuries. His armor doesn't protect him that much. On the other hand we have Iron Man, who has infinite rocket fuel, who can withstand any G-force, and who never ever gets hurt when he wears the suit. The, well, how do you say it... "physical realism" in Nolan Batman films are a big plus.

Then the characters feel more realistic. I love how he took every villain and turned him/her into a person that could exist in the real world.

But on the other side, there are huge unrealistic elements, some of them come down to pretty poor writing (as others mentioned, for example, the Joker's ability to rig entire buildings and ships with explosives without anyone noticing, etc...).

 

[JacksonArcher]

The entire soundtrack courtesy of Empire....epic.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498

I just died and went to musical heaven.

 

[StarMan]

On the subject of realism:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7252042/Batman-could-fly-but-he-d-crash

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The entire soundtrack courtesy of Empire....epic.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34498

I listened to it last night and it was quite good. I was hoping the eerie music from the most recent full trailer was part of the score but I don't think I heard it. Pity.