The way she's written the tweet could hopefully mean that, or it could be she's had a (lower quality) first cut all this time, and they will just lift the additional scenes for inclusion as an extra.
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The way she's written the tweet could hopefully mean that, or it could be she's had a (lower quality) first cut all this time, and they will just lift the additional scenes for inclusion as an extra.
You're right, it could be just a low quality extra, which would be disappointing... but she says she has to give it (whatever it is -- blu-ray or VHS) "back to CBS" implying they (CBS) gave it to her, not Paramount back in 1988. But I see what you're saying.
Since they've scanned all the film, they've got the footage now in HD as digital files, so why not re-incorporate the footage back into the episode? The only scenes that require VFX are the beam-in in the Transporter Room and the Ready Room scenes with the Admiral on Picard's Viewer.
The hardest part, I suppose, would be locating the correct audio reels and doing a new mix for those scenes with correct sound effects.
The hardest part would be re-editing the episode, making sure it makes for a better story, and making sure there are no inconsistencies introduced with the extra scenes. They have the original records of which negatives were used for each scene from the broadcast episode, so the editing is just following the records. The minute you add an extra scene it requires thought as opposed to following instructions.
Of course, I'd love to see the extended episode, and I hope they do more, but don't think it's as easy as taking the extra negatives and throwing it in the episode.
Well, if Rarewolf is correct, then the editing of the first cut has already been done by Bob Lederman, who edited the episode in 1989... and that tape that Snodgrass has presumably sent to CBS would be the basis of any new extended cut (if that is indeed what they're doing).
I think we shouldn't get our expectations up to high. I would hardly call the inclusion of additional deleted scenes, a first for any TNG TV release, no matter in which quality or form disappointing. I'm immensely looking forward to seeing the deleted scenes, if this should really happen.
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Maybe season 2 hasn't a lot of things they are planning for special features. Season 1 has a 90 minute documentary. It sounds like no audio commentaries again for season 2.
And yes they could offer both the original broadcast edit and an extended cut on the same disc. Probably without branching for ease of authoring but as a separate option option on the same Blu-ray disc. If they were to do that an audio commentary would be nice for that episode.
Locating the original Nagra 1/4" audio reels and then syncing them would be possible and would require a lot of labor. A full sound mix would also be required. If any music were used that would need to be edited as well as SoundFX. All of this would have to be mixed in 7.1 surround as well for this extended cut. You can be assured though that the audio fidelity would actually be better than the rest of the episode due to the analog-to-digital converter tech we have today vs the analog audio stems archived and used for the 2002 DVDs.
I can see 3/4" videotape or VHS tapes from 1988 being used for standard definition deleted scenes as an extra feature. Fans would still be happy just to have it.
Maybe season 2 hasn't a lot of things they are planning for special features. Season 1 has a 90 minute documentary. It sounds like no audio commentaries again for season 2.
If they were to go back to the original camera negative based on a rough cut with timecode and keycode burn-in windows showing the OCN keycode info they could do a pull of the OCN and telecine it with 10 second handles just like they are doing for the full restoration of the episodes.
And yes they could offer both the original broadcast edit and an extended cut on the same disc. Probably without branching for ease of authoring but as a separate option option on the same Blu-ray disc. If they were to do that an audio commentary would be nice for that episode.
Locating the original Nagra 1/4" audio reels and then syncing them would be possible and would require a lot of labor. A full sound mix would also be required. If any music were used that would need to be edited as well as SoundFX. All of this would have to be mixed in 7.1 surround as well for this extended cut. You can be assured though that the audio fidelity would actually be better than the rest of the episode due to the analog-to-digital converter tech we have today vs the analog audio stems archived and used for the 2002 DVDs.
That would be... interesting.
Why that particular episode, though? Did it have more cut footage than most? I wasn't aware they cut much out of any episode, never mind 20 mins! Surely that would be cut at the writing stage, not post production?
Why that particular episode, though? Did it have more cut footage than most? I wasn't aware they cut much out of any episode, never mind 20 mins! Surely that would be cut at the writing stage, not post production?
As to why they chose this episode to do an extended cut, it is arguable one of the best episodes of S2, I believe it performs very well in general "Best Of..." polls as well.
It is interesting that they would incur the additional cost to produce 20 minutes of additional scenes, knowing that they only had a 45 minute time-slot. I could definitely see maybe 5 minutes or so of alternate takes or minor scenes that they could then decide later between doing tighter cuts of some scenes to make room for the extra couple minutes.
The only justification I can think of, which is purely speculation, is that when they were writing and filming the show, they weren't entirely convinced that a long, drawn-out trial scene would turn out well, so they filmed these additional scenes to fill out the episode and cut down the trial, if needed. Again, that's just my thought.
It is interesting that they would incur the additional cost to produce 20 minutes of additional scenes, knowing that they only had a 45 minute time-slot. I could definitely see maybe 5 minutes or so of alternate takes or minor scenes that they could then decide later between doing tighter cuts of some scenes to make room for the extra couple minutes.
The only justification I can think of, which is purely speculation, is that when they were writing and filming the show, they weren't entirely convinced that a long, drawn-out trial scene would turn out well, so they filmed these additional scenes to fill out the episode and cut down the trial, if needed. Again, that's just my thought.
Well when you read the TNG Companion, it seems like it was a pretty common occurence for episodes to run either really long or really short. It wasn't always easy to judge off the script, since actors would burn through the dialogue at different speeds.
In any case, I think it would be awesome to have a few of these extended episodes in the set.
In any case, I think it would be awesome to have a few of these extended episodes in the set.
If this ends up on the new boxset, it just might be enough to make me get Season 2.
Now just imagine, there could be an extended cut of Best of Both Worlds
Now just imagine, there could be an extended cut of Best of Both Worlds
The one concern I have with an extended cut of BOBW (and maybe other episodes) is the music. If these are brand new scenes that are being inserted, it shouldn't be a problem, but if snippets are added to an existing scene, the score probably won't flow as well.Now just imagine, there could be an extended cut of Best of Both Worlds
If the resurrected bits don't contradict anything previously shown then they could simply be events that previously just happened off-screen.
Because sometimes extended cuts radically change events, subplots, and characterization. That happened with the extended cut of the nBSG episode Pegasus, where Sharon was actually raped while the rest of the show went with the aired attempted rape, and several of Ridley Scott's films (Kingdom of Heaven being the most notable).
In this case, most of the cuts are just some minor dialogue (going off of the script posted earlier) that doesn't have that much of an effect on the story, so there wouldn't be all that much to worry about. Might not be true for other episodes.
20 more minutes of a season 2 episode won't contain any earth shattering canon violations that will totally ruin everything that comes after it.
CBS has a slightly updated (and I do mean slightly!) promo video for Season 1 (new stuff begins at 1:05):
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I like the additions, a couple of new shots and a nice voice over by Sir Patrick.
Official entries in a franchise cannot violate the canon, they are the canon, it doesn't matter if things contradict each other.
We don't even have to see the extended episodes, there will be no canon violations.
Wow, extended episodes? That's very exciting. I would assume the extended bits will be in high def too, I mean they have to scan the negatives anyway. I guess the question is whether the extended bits were cut between the filming and editing process or if they actually made it to editing on videotape. If the former, the only way to add them would be in high def.
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