Attack of the Pink Slime!

[Amaris]

I don't care if they use safe pink slime as long as it is adequately labelled so people can make choices. All of these objections seem to be about grossness, not sure how the pink slime stand up as far as protein goes. If there are issues with that and additives people need to be aware of it.

As to budget and health and time.. I hate cooking and most of my meals are very simple and quick. Only have meat a couple times a week though we eat eggs every day. Mostly vegetables based on what is in season and on sale, pulses etc.. the meat we eat is not processed, it is straight chicken, fish or kangaroo which is cheaper than steak here and better. When I have been at my poorest we have eaten no processed food at all because it is much more expensive.

As to organic vegies, I remember hearing a green grocer on the radio who sold organic vegies in his shop say that when he ran low on them he just went to the market and bought the most beat up vegies he could find, labeled them organic and jacked up the price.

I'm not surprised. There's a lot of money in labeling something "organic" without it being so.
I have to say, I've never had Kangaroo before. What's it taste like?

Yes he did, he pointed out Trekker's BS and I know enough Latin to be aware of what q.e.d. means.
My point, which you totally missed, was that I do not need to engage with the details of chemically treating (these two words suffice) meat at all. The very fact that you do not want that meat to be labelled and neatly separated from the ordinary meat proves that you do not consider it to be identical. If it were you would not fear the sunlight.

Quick, Trekker, to the Meatorium of Evil! We have innocents to deceive!

Is it so hard to address the point or to admit that he is right? It seems denigrating the poster is the last refuge of those who know that they are wrong.

Admit he's right about what? His emotional tirades that have no factual data to back it up? It has been explained to him. He's the one that's decided there's some kind of meat conglomerate curtain to hide the truth. If one's statements descend into absurdity, they will be met with absurdity. I have given him far more of my precious time than he has warranted. So let's not get into "admitting he's right" because he's not. This post below was his response! What is there to answer here other than accusations?

Looks like you have run out of arguments. This is hardly surprising given that you argue for "do not label different quality meat, keep the customer uninformed, be a corporate minion" aka, just be ignorant and subservient.
Consumer choice seems to be a quintessential American word. You might wanna get back to that.

So, Hound of UIster? What is there to address? Did you miss my previous statements? Did you just join the thread and say "fuck it, I'm not reading"? Go back and look at his contributions, then look at Trekkers, and look at mine. Afraid to address. Right.

 

[Hound of UIster]

This is why America has such a bad reputation for food over here (I'm being polite here, the reputation of American food is worst than you think ).

Americans like tasty food. Healthy, tasty food is more expensive, so they opt, instead, for cheap, tasty food. Unfortunately, that cheap, tasty food is usually not nearly as good for you as what you would normally eat if you were in, say, Paris or Rome.

I've seen the way France does produce and meat, and it's far, far fresher than you'll get here outside of big cities with nearby ports of call.

IME "cheap tasty food" in America means huge amounts of salt, sugar and fat. The savory food there tastes incredibly sweet and the sweet foods taste incredibly salty. People's palates have been trained by increasingly processed diets.

When I read that "what are you eating/drinking" thread I'm convinced some of you are heart attacks waiting to happen.

This is why Americans are so fat.

I've had a few american relatives tell me it is quite hard to find fresh vegetables where they live. This seems weird to me but what do I know.

It's poverty really. Fresh fruit and veggies cost more, take longer to prepare and have less energy versus processed foods. Essentially while they are healthier and provide essential nutrients and vitamins, the energy and cost inputs are high and the energy outputs are lower compared to low quality processed food.

I'm surprised every time that I get invited to dinner. Their food is just unhealthy. It's no wonder heart disease and strokes are such a major killer here. And it could be so easily avoided.

 

[horatio83]

What is there to address? Did you miss my previous statements? Did you just join the thread and say "fuck it, I'm not reading"? Go back and look at his contributions, then look at Trekkers, and look at mine. Afraid to address. Right.

You still fail to explain why you do not want ordinary beef and LFTB to be labelled and let consumers decide. What is there to fear if it is identical?
I do not know if it is as I am an economist and not a biologist and I do not care as I am a veggie. But I know one thing, that people who do not want to inform their customers and clearly point out the differences among the goods they sell usually have something to hide. When the 'pooling of LQ and HQ stuff plus misinforming the customer' game happened in my business the world started to burn.

Seems strange that somebody who is merely a consumer and who does not have a financial stake in the respective industry would want choice to be taken away from him or her. The only explanation I found is that such people are influenced and corrupted by the corporatist Zeitgeist.

You can of course choose to ignore my simple question again and claim that I am emotional or whatever but you will involuntarily say more about yourself than me.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't care if they use safe pink slime as long as it is adequately labelled so people can make choices. All of these objections seem to be about grossness, not sure how the pink slime stand up as far as protein goes. If there are issues with that and additives people need to be aware of it.

As to budget and health and time.. I hate cooking and most of my meals are very simple and quick. Only have meat a couple times a week though we eat eggs every day. Mostly vegetables based on what is in season and on sale, pulses etc.. the meat we eat is not processed, it is straight chicken, fish or kangaroo which is cheaper than steak here and better. When I have been at my poorest we have eaten no processed food at all because it is much more expensive.

As to organic vegies, I remember hearing a green grocer on the radio who sold organic vegies in his shop say that when he ran low on them he just went to the market and bought the most beat up vegies he could find, labeled them organic and jacked up the price.

I'm not surprised. There's a lot of money in labeling something "organic" without it being so.
I have to say, I've never had Kangaroo before. What's it taste like?

I guess it tastes a bit gamey like venison. A bit sweet and tangy in a way. It is quite tender. After eating only kangaroo for about a year once I had a steak and couldn't believe the how fatty it felt on my teeth as well as being oddly tasteless. I mostly buy the diced roo and use it in tacos, egg and roo huevos rancheros etc.. and that's just because it's the cheapest cut. I have met so many Canadians and Americans buying it in the bigger supermarkets, sometimes I think they like it better than Australians, some of them are just obsessed with it LOL. But then it was mainly used for dog meat 20 years ago here so some people might still be odd about it. You could buy dog meat and then very expensive high end roo and now it is common and inexpensively priced.

This is what I buy:

http://macromeats.com.au/Products.aspx

I served my American relatives a meal of kangaroo steaks, couscous and greek salad and they were very impressed. I was worried they would be squeamish but they cleaned their plates.

Also according to that site is dramatically leaner than beef.

 

[Amaris]

I guess it tastes a bit gamey like venison. A bit sweet and tangy in a way. It is quite tender. After eating only kangaroo for about a year once I had a steak and couldn't believe the how fatty it felt on my teeth as well as being oddly tasteless. I mostly buy the diced roo and use it in tacos, egg and roo huevos rancheros etc.. and that's just because it's the cheapest cut. I have met so many Canadians and Americans buying it in the bigger supermarkets, sometimes I think they like it better than Australians, some of them are just obsessed with it LOL. But then it was mainly used for dog meat 20 years ago here so some people might still be odd about it. You could buy dog meat and then very expensive high end roo and now it is common and inexpensively priced.

This is what I buy:

http://macromeats.com.au/Products.aspx

I served my American relatives a meal of kangaroo steaks, couscous and greek salad and they were very impressed. I was worried they would be squeamish but they cleaned their plates.

Also according to that site is dramatically leaner than beef.

I think I could get used to that. If it tastes something like venison, then I think I would like it. It's a shame we don't sell it around here!

 

[scotpens]

My point, which you totally missed, was that I do not need to engage with the details of chemically treating (these two words suffice) meat at all.

To reiterate: “My mind is made up — don’t bother me with the facts.”

The very fact that you do not want that meat to be labelled and neatly separated from the ordinary meat proves that you do not consider it to be identical. If it were you would not fear the sunlight.

While I wouldn’t object to the labeling of ground beef containing LTB, I don’t consider it necessary. It’s lean muscle fibers from a steer. It’s BEEF.

You sound like the Freudian psychologist who believes that if a man says he hates his mother, it means he hates his mother. If a man says he doesn’t hate his mother, it means he’s in denial about hating his mother.

The other guys pro-crap guys in here, well, they are working in the friggin' industry, of course they are lying through their teeth.

I have no connection with the food service or meat-packing industries. I don’t have a dog in this fight. I just hate to see reason, fact and common sense trumped by rumor, scare tactics and fearmongering.

As to organic vegies, I remember hearing a green grocer on the radio who sold organic vegies in his shop say that when he ran low on them he just went to the market and bought the most beat up vegies he could find, labeled them organic and jacked up the price.

That’s perfect! Reminds me of the late, great comedian Alan King on the subject of health foods. “The only thing unrefined sugar has that refined sugar doesn’t have is DIRT.”

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh the health food industry is full of scams and fads. I grew up in that industry.. I remember when shops would advertise they had BROWN eggs as though they were superior to white ones, like bread LOL.

Some hippy recently tried to sell me on a sugar substitute that was extremely expensive. The selling point: it comes from a REAL plant. I did point out that sugar cane is a REAL plant but hey it's all about offering magical foodstuffs so it has to be from the depths of the amazon jungle and cost as much as powdered gold. Raw sugar is old school faddism,

 

[Trekker4747]

Yes he did, he pointed out Trekker's BS and I know enough Latin to be aware of what q.e.d. means.

The only "B.S." I posted was the quip about The Large Hadron Collider, which -fundamentally- I'm still "right" about in that the process isn't causing any meaningful changes to the molecular structure of the meat other than perhaps consistency, texture and the such. Molecularly it's still beef.

It was a joke, jokes are allowed to be hyperbolic.

 

[scotpens]

Some hippy recently tried to sell me on a sugar substitute that was extremely expensive. The selling point: it comes from a REAL plant.

Are you sure that was a sugar substitute he was trying to sell you?

 

[Amaris]

Oh the health food industry is full of scams and fads. I grew up in that industry.. I remember when shops would advertise they had BROWN eggs as though they were superior to white ones, like bread LOL.

Some hippy recently tried to sell me on a sugar substitute that was extremely expensive. The selling point: it comes from a REAL plant. I did point out that sugar cane is a REAL plant but hey it's all about offering magical foodstuffs so it has to be from the depths of the amazon jungle and cost as much as powdered gold. Raw sugar is old school faddism,

Ah, yes. Foodies.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I wouldn't say "foodie" as that has taste as a selling point which is not something most of the health food industry can say.

 

[Amaris]

I wouldn't say "foodie" as that has taste as a selling point which is not something most of the health food industry can say.

True, I just mean in the "no, you should only eat this organic bread that was made in a Buddhist Monastery by masters of the baked arts, was blessed by the Dalai Lama and contains less than 5 carbohydrate per delicious one inch thick slice."

 

[scotpens]

^^ The term “foodie” is usually applied to self-styled gourmets rather than health-food faddists. However, both types can be equally annoying.

 

[Amaris]

^^ The term “foodie” is usually applied to self-styled gourmets rather than health-food faddists. However, both types can be equally annoying.

Ah, I see, and yes, they can both be equally annoying.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The health food faddists annoy me more because they are peddleing magic and bullshit half the time.

"This pink salt from siberia is sooooo good for you, it has over a hundred minerals!"

Yeah and if you wanted to eat as many minerals from that salt as in one multi vitamin you would die of salt poisoning very quickly. So people actually pay like 12.00 for magical vials of salt.

At least foodies say "This is cool because it comes from far away and also it tastes good".