Where are we right now??

[F. King Daniel]

Maybe you know that if you begin to accept that nu-Trek isn't really the direction you wanted to see Trek go in, you'll feel like some sort of uncool trek purist nerd, but you wanna be hip and down with the kids or whatever so keep on believing that nu-trek is great and totally what the franchise needed. I mean it made $257 million at the box office, so it must be awesome right? Let's not mention Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen grossed $402 million that same year.

Its totally easier to like things that are popular than be against them in the end.

I like Star Trek V, Nemesis and Enterprise, and I've defended them just as I'm doing Star Trek XI here.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

The film does concern itself with the Prime universe. Old Spock and Nero are from there. Romulus' destruction was the catalyst for the whole movie and new timeline.

The film and the people behind it couldn't give a flying fig about the prime universe, they just wanted a way to get a Spock cameo and thought blowin up some planets real good might do the trick

And I'm still not convinced the people here claiming they love Trek are fully in touch with their true feelings/opinions. Just my take!

 

[You_Will_Fail]

On another note, what is Trek XI even giving us besides some pretty things to look at and some brief enjoyment?

Even the worst Trek TV actually gave us some great new characters. This nu-Trek is so cynical and profit-motivated, it doesn't have the guts to actually be about new characters, they're sticking with the TOS characters for greater brand recognition.
Reanimating the corpses of long dead characters to earn a quick buck, makes me feel dirty just thinking about it.

 

[xortex]

I say this politely: can you please stop trying to read our minds and tell us what we really feel? Here's a crazy idea: just take me at my word that the new movie sure felt like Star Trek to this lifelong Trekkie . . .

If I took my neighbor at her word when she answered the door after a disturbance and told me she was "fine", she'd be chopped up into pieces right now instead of sucking my toes.

Huh?

Are you implying that a crazed axe murderer is standing behind me, forcing me to say that rebooting Star Trek is fine with me?

Or maybe I just have a different opinion.

Creditors these days carry the equivilent of axes. Berman's Enterprise is dead and over, thank God, and rightfully so, so by comparison, J.J.'s Trek looks much better but it is an illusion with a deliberate intentional monkey wrench in it to boot. Now nobody can do anything with it except him.

 

[Greg Cox]

I can accept that different people enjoy different things. Its just I feel people sometimes aren't honest with themselves when it comes to what they *really* feel.
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Or maybe, as Nerys put it quite pithily, people like things because they actually like them? And maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually know what their own true feelings are?

Crazy talk, right?

I mean, suppose I kept insisting, over and over, that deep down inside you loved the new movie and but felt guilty about it because you felt disloyal to the old shows, so you're overcompensating as a result. Because, of course, nobody in their right minds could possibly have a problem with rebooting Star Trek and anybody who says so must be lying to themselves . . . .

That would be pretty presumptuous of me, wouldn't it?

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The film does concern itself with the Prime universe. Old Spock and Nero are from there. Romulus' destruction was the catalyst for the whole movie and new timeline.

The film and the people behind it couldn't give a flying fig about the prime universe, they just wanted a way to get a Spock cameo and thought blowin up some planets real good might do the trick

And I'm still not convinced the people here claiming they love Trek are fully in touch with their true feelings/opinions. Just my take!

I think that you're putting us on. I can't imagine that any Trek fan could be so dismissive of other people's opinions like you unless they were putting us on.

Hey, just my take!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I can accept that different people enjoy different things. Its just I feel people sometimes aren't honest with themselves when it comes to what they *really* feel.

Someone is holding you captive?

I was referring to the people who *claim* they have no problem with nu-Trek.

So someone has held them captive and they've become sympathetic? How does that work with a film? No one forced me to watch the film or like it.

On another note, what is Trek XI even giving us besides some pretty things to look at and some brief enjoyment?

So the same as every other iteration of Trek?

 

[Greg Cox]

Reanimating the corpses of long dead characters to earn a quick buck, makes me feel dirty just thinking about it.

Ah, but you don't really feel that way. You're just *claiming* that.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I mean, suppose I kept insisting, over and over, that deep down inside you loved the new movie and but felt guilty about it because you felt disloyal to the old shows, so you're overcompensating as a result. Because, of course, nobody in their right minds could possibly have a problem with rebooting Star Trek and anybody who says so must be lying to themselves . . . .

That would be pretty presumptuous of me, wouldn't it?

I think its a lot harder to believe that someone who has watched hundreds of episodes of Trek over years suddenly doesn't give a crap about the franchise abandoning that universe/legacy and just starting over in a movie that is simply wildly different to what we've known as Trek.

On another note, what is Trek XI even giving us besides some pretty things to look at and some brief enjoyment?

So the same as every other iteration of Trek?

Read the rest of my post

 

[cooleddie74]

Sometimes we don't get the STAR TREK we want.

I wanted a fifth season of ENTERPRISE. I wanted NEMESIS to be a lot better than it was. Alas, neither happened. Was I disappointed? You bet. Did I claim fans who disagreed me were just suffering from delusions and "didn't get it"? No. I caught my breath, sighed, adjusted and went on with my life.

What else do you want a lifelong fan to say?

 

[xortex]

Especially people trying to publish Nu Trek books and are being told not to by J.J..

 

[Nerys Myk]

If I took my neighbor at her word when she answered the door after a disturbance and told me she was "fine", she'd be chopped up into pieces right now instead of sucking my toes.

Huh?

Are you implying that a crazed axe murderer is standing behind me, forcing me to say that rebooting Star Trek is fine with me?

Or maybe I just have a different opinion.

Creditors these days carry the equivilent of axes. Berman's Enterprise is dead and over, thank God, and rightfully so, so by comparison, J.J.'s Trek looks much better but it is an illusion with a deliberate intentional monkey wrench in it to boot. Now nobody can do anything with it except him.

Except when Paramount or CBS shows him the door. As they have done before with show runners and movie producers.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The film does concern itself with the Prime universe. Old Spock and Nero are from there. Romulus' destruction was the catalyst for the whole movie and new timeline.

The film and the people behind it couldn't give a flying fig about the prime universe, they just wanted a way to get a Spock cameo and thought blowin up some planets real good might do the trick

Now the people behind the film aren't Trekkie enough for you? Those same writers whose favourite television episode ever is Next Gen's "All Good Things"? One of whom has a library of Trek novels?

Compare with Rick Berman and Branon Braga, neither of whom had even seen all of The Original Series before making their prequel series, Enterprise.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Especially people trying to publish Nu Trek books and are being told not to by J.J..

Those people do so at the pleasure of CBS. Its not like they can do it without permission. ( Okay they can, but that's called fanfic)

 

[xortex]

More like 'Yesterday's Enterprise'.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The film does concern itself with the Prime universe. Old Spock and Nero are from there. Romulus' destruction was the catalyst for the whole movie and new timeline.

The film and the people behind it couldn't give a flying fig about the prime universe, they just wanted a way to get a Spock cameo and thought blowin up some planets real good might do the trick

Now the people behind the film aren't Trekkie enough for you? Those same writers whose favourite television episode ever is Next Gen's "All Good Things"? One of whom has a library of Trek novels?

Compare with Rick Berman and Branon Braga, neither of whom had even seen all of The Original Series before making their prequel series, Enterprise.

To be fair I'm pretty sure that by the time that the 5th series was being planned Braga had said that he had seen all of TOS.

 

[cooleddie74]

I think its a lot harder to believe that someone who has watched hundreds of episodes of Trek over years suddenly doesn't give a crap about the franchise abandoning that universe/legacy and just starting over in a movie that is simply wildly different to what we've known as Trek.

So we don't "give a crap" because we like or love the new movie and are eagerly looking forward to the next one? It was an adjustment at first...yes. Nobody can get used to the new timeline, uniforms and set designs overnight, but I really, really liked and enjoyed what I saw and heard in the film. It wasn't perfect by a longshot and yes...I'd have done a few things differently. We all would have. But we(along with almost every single film critic as well as the estate of Gene Roddenberry and Majel Barrett-Roddenberry) liked and put our enthusiastic stamp of approval on it. What you call "Stockholm Sydrome" we call "engaging and thrilling entertainment."

 

[Nerys Myk]

To be fair I'm pretty sure that by the time that the 5th series was being planned Braga had said that he had seen all of TOS.

Fans love to latch to statements like that and assume they will never change.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Now the people behind the film aren't Trekkie enough for you? Those same writers whose favourite television episode ever is Next Gen's "All Good Things"? One of whom has a library of Trek novels?

Compare with Rick Berman and Branon Braga, neither of whom had even seen all of The Original Series before making their prequel series, Enterprise.

If they cared about the prime universe, they wouldn't be getting involved in this mess nor would they have blown up Romulus. Like I've been explaining this whole thread.

 

[Greg Cox]

I mean, suppose I kept insisting, over and over, that deep down inside you loved the new movie and but felt guilty about it because you felt disloyal to the old shows, so you're overcompensating as a result. Because, of course, nobody in their right minds could possibly have a problem with rebooting Star Trek and anybody who says so must be lying to themselves . . . .

That would be pretty presumptuous of me, wouldn't it?

I think its a lot harder to believe that someone who has watched hundreds of episodes of Trek over years suddenly doesn't give a crap about the franchise abandoning that universe/legacy and just starting over in a movie that is simply wildly different to what we've known as Trek.

Again, cart before the horse. Star Trek is not just the sum of its accumulated continuity. Again, the natural life-cycle of series. Every other popular series gets rebooted eventually; Star Trek is no exception.

Rather than rehash all these old arguments one more time, why not just accept that other people have their own reasons which make sense to them? You don't have to agree with those reasons, but why is it so hard to accept that other fans, who love Star Trek just as much as you do, can have equally valid opinions about this?