10 reasons why TOS is better than TNG

[sonak]

TOS was a victim of the sixties. It aged pretty badly.
All types of subtle sexism. (Remember folks, women were not allowed to become Starships captain back then)

It had short term memory syndrome- hardly any reoccurring characters, or no memory of previous adventures on the ship.

The characters seemed to had have no relatives or lives outside the ship.

It was basically Kirk and his past loves and that was it.

But still, you can't beat that science fiction on that show.

as to the sexism, you're right it was a product of its era.

As for the "short term memory syndrome," almost every TV show of that era had it, it basically just means that the shows weren't doing serialized storytelling. Until very recently, like the last decade or decade and a half, that was the norm.

And if you look at TNG, it was only a little better in that regard, but the vast majority of it was stand-alone stuff.

 

[GemHaters]

Not enough people agreed with you the first time around, you had to start it again?

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I liked TOS more becuase it was more fun.

I thought the TOS characters were kind of stiff and boring, actually. The TNG folks on the other hand were not only more fun, but much more interesting and complex characters.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

''8. Worf...sounds "cuddly" to you? I honestly can't even process that.''----RyuRoots.

Compared to previous Kingons, it there's a noticeable anti-harshness to his name-sound.

Kor.
Koloth.
Kras.
Kang.
Worf.

Not that I don't enjoy his character, but wouldn't Kuk, Klar or Kasta be a more realistic Klingon name? Perhaps the names of Klingons mellowed out over the years between TOS and TNG,but it still seems odd to have Ws and Fs in the Klingon mix.

 

[GemHaters]

''8. Worf...sounds "cuddly" to you? I honestly can't even process that.''----RyuRoots.

Compared to previous Kingons, it there's a noticeable anti-harshness to his name-sound.

Kor.
Koloth.
Kras.
Kang.
Worf.

Not that I don't enjoy his character, but wouldn't Kuk, Klar or Kasta be a more realistic Klingon name? Perhaps the names of Klingons mellowed out over the years between TOS and TNG,but it still seems odd to have Ws and Fs in the Klingon mix.

I bet you're one of those people that bitched about Hayden Christensen's "fake tan" in Attack of the Clones, or the "horrible fake accents" in LOTR, or every other useless obscure detail that's ever graced movies and tv.

 

[BillJ]

I bet you're one of those people that bitched about Hayden Christensen's "fake tan" in Attack of the Clones, or the "horrible fake accents" in LOTR, or every other useless obscure detail that's ever graced movies and tv.

But those "useless, obscure" details are a huge part of the tapestry of any given universe.

If Karl Urban had used a heavy "down under" accent in his portrayal of McCoy it would've thrown alot of people out of the story because of what they've been taught about McCoy through other productions.

If the "useless, obscure" detail doesn't mesh it can very easily throw someone out of a story. Just as much as there being an AK-47 in a Civil War drama.

YMMV.

 

[GemHaters]

I bet you're one of those people that bitched about Hayden Christensen's "fake tan" in Attack of the Clones, or the "horrible fake accents" in LOTR, or every other useless obscure detail that's ever graced movies and tv.

But those "useless, obscure" details are a huge part of the tapestry of any given universe.

For those people that can't just watch a movie, but sit there and pick apart every single reason why they don't like it, then what you just said would be correct.

With all the continuity errors in Enterprise and we're sitting here complaining about Worf's name. Sometimes I wonder if we're all watching the same shows...

 

[BillJ]

With all the continuity errors in Enterprise and we're sitting here complaining about Worf's name. Sometimes I wonder if we're all watching the same shows...

But what makes any one persons complaint any less valid than any other persons? The name Worf bothers foxhot, there is no right or wrong to it. Just his personal threshold for what kicks him out of a story.

And can you name a concrete Enterprise canon violation outside of the cloaking device from Minefield?

 

[GemHaters]

With all the continuity errors in Enterprise and we're sitting here complaining about Worf's name. Sometimes I wonder if we're all watching the same shows...

But what makes any one persons complaint any less valid than any other persons? The name Worf bothers foxhot, there is no right or wrong to it. Just his personal threshold for what kicks him out of a story.

And can you name a concrete Enterprise canon violation outside of the cloaking device from Minefield?

For starters, how about the Borg being introduced in the episode Regeneration when it's clear that we don't meet the Borg until Q introduces the Enterprise D to them in Q Who? Enterprise suggests that the Borg sphere crash landed in the Arctic when you can clearly tell in First Contact that it was blown up with the only survivors beaming aboard the Enterprise because their shields were down.

Season 1 Episode 5 of TNG The Last Outpost. While the Ferengi race was known to the Federation at the time, it was their first contact with the species(As long as you don't count the DS9 episode Little Green Men which implies that we met the Ferengi in Roswell in 1947). But, in the Enterprise episode Acquisition apparently that was first contact with the Ferengi, when we all know otherwise. Captain Picard and the Enterprise D crew wouldn't have looked so surprised if Captain Archer had already met them and filed a report with Starfleet for everyone in the future to read more than two hundred years prior.

 

[JiNX-01]

My 10 reasons:

1. Spock!
2. Characters with personalities.
3. The captain isn't a humorless bore.
4. No insufferable "counselor."
5. No infants outshining the adults.
6. Conflict. Hey, Gene, it's essential to storytelling.
7. Humor.
8. Chemistry within the "Big Three."
9. Few "kid" episodes.
10. In the era of the civil rights movement, we had a black, female officer on the bridge.

 

[BillJ]

For starters, how about the Borg being introduced in the episode Regeneration when it's clear that we don't meet the Borg until Q introduces the Enterprise D to them in Q Who? Enterprise suggests that the Borg sphere crash landed in the Arctic when you can clearly tell in First Contact that it was blown up with the only survivors beaming aboard the Enterprise because their shields were down.

Since debris survived from the encounter in 2063 above Earth you can't really call it a violation. As far as no one being aware of the Borg Incident of 2152 in the 24th century, it simply comes down to either the information being deep-sixed or lost. We know that many records from the 1990's didn't survive the Eugenics Wars from Space Seed. Whose to say some records weren't lost during the Romulan War of 2161?

Season 1 Episode 5 of TNG The Last Outpost. While the Ferengi race was known to the Federation at the time, it was their first contact with the species(As long as you don't count the DS9 episode Little Green Men which implies that we met the Ferengi in Roswell in 1947). But, in the Enterprise episode Acquisition apparently that was first contact with the Ferengi, when we all know otherwise. Captain Picard and the Enterprise D crew wouldn't have looked so surprised if Captain Archer had already met them and filed a report with Starfleet for everyone in the future to read more than two hundred years prior.

While I admit it's one of the dumber reasons I've encountered, Archer never got the name of the big-eared thugs that ransacked his ship in 2151.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

This whole thread is like a stoning contest between the Old Testament and the New Testament with accusations of apocrypha hurled at ENT.

All Trek is good.

TOS was my first Trek, I was a young teenager when I watched it. When I watch it today the music alone evokes powerful emotions in me. I experience it the same intense way I did originally much of the time. That's an experience I'm not going to compare to other Trek series because you only have your first time once. It's never going to be like that again. I think many had the same experience with TNG.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I liked TOS more becuase it was more fun.

I thought the TOS characters were kind of stiff and boring, actually. The TNG folks on the other hand were not only more fun,

I don't reacall TNG having many comedy eps, They just seemed to head to the observation lounge for a staff meeting most of the time, whereas Kirk did stuff.

 

[plynch]

Acting.
Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, and . . . the others.
Stewart and . . . the others. (Spiner, maybe, but the role was so dorky.)
TNG is still good though.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I liked TOS more becuase it was more fun.

I thought the TOS characters were kind of stiff and boring, actually. The TNG folks on the other hand were not only more fun,

I don't reacall TNG having many comedy eps, They just seemed to head to the observation lounge for a staff meeting most of the time, whereas Kirk did stuff.

It did have its fair share of comedy episodes. The Barclay episodes, Q episodes, Lwaxana Troi episodes, and plenty of others.

And in general I think the humor in TNG was much more subtle, but it was definitely there. Sometimes it was just a little grin on Riker's face when Data said something silly, but it was always there and I loved it.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Acting.
Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, and . . . the others.
Stewart and . . . the others. (Spiner, maybe, but the role was so dorky.)
TNG is still good though.

He improved in the TOS films, but in general I thought Shatner was pretty wooden. Nimoy and Kelley were fine actors, and Doohan was too when they decided to do something useful with him on occasion.

TNG on the other hand had a near perfect cast, IMO. Stewart was fantastic, as were Spiner and Frakes. I wasn't a big fan of Dorn, but his character was well written so he was still interesting. As for Sirtis, MacFadden, and Burton, I think they were good actors that should have been better utilized, but when they were given center stage they shined. I'm also not afraid to admit I like Wheaton and his character Wesley Crusher.

 

[T'Girl]

I don't reacall TNG having many comedy eps, They just seemed to head to the observation lounge for a staff meeting most of the time, whereas Kirk did stuff.

The entire episode where they turn the Enterprise into a stone temple, and Picard and Data walk around wearing Mardi Gra masks alway has me rolling on the floor.

And Hartzilla2007, remember the scene where Data gives his cat to Worf for safe keeping, tell me that isn't just the funnest thing in the whole five series run.

"I will feed him."

")

 

[Robert D. Robot]

I'm also not afraid to admit I like Wheaton and his character Wesley Crusher.

I liked Wesley Crusher, too. I don't think the writers always knew the best way to handle him and there were some groan-worthy situations with him, but he was not the only character in Trek to suffer from that. I can not hate him.

Some folks complain that he was always saving the day, but I would suggest that EVERYONE on that show took turns saving the day. As a fairly prominent character on the show, he saved the ship no more than anyone else.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

2 Reasons Why This Thing Is Better Than That Thing:

1) They changed it, it sucks now.
2) They didn't change it enough, they're lazy.

Rinse and repeat w/ any scifi discussion.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

8. No cutesy names like Worf or Data. (Klingons never had names ending in ''f'' until Worf. It's almost like they wanted to make him sound cuddly).

I had a guinea pig named Worf. A black Abyssinian. But I named him Worf because he was MIGHTY, not cuddly. Though he was cuddly so maybe there was something subliminal going on there.