Robert Beltran is married
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Leaving us hanging on the prixen thingy. LOL
By the way I finally saw the second half of Mystic Warrior! I must add Robert looks Purdy as an Indian!!!
I guess you just had to be there! *shrug* Robert Picardo does and says a lot of things on the spur of the moment "live"!
You might have to buy all of these to get your answer.
http://www.robertpicardo.net/store/store.html
Robert Beltran is gorgeous all the time! Try *The Chase* for homey hero type hunkdom!
Chuckling
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Oh yes, he is! In Mystic Warrior, The Chase, KMAK, ..., always!Leaving us hanging on the prixen thingy. LOL
By the way I finally saw the second half of Mystic Warrior! I must add Robert looks Purdy as an Indian!!!
Robert Beltran is gorgeous all the time!
Chuckling
Robert`s on stage today (till Sunday)
The Latino Company presents "Solitude" in San Jose.
This is from facebook:
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Oh yes, he is! In Mystic Warrior, The Chase, KMAK, ..., always!Leaving us hanging on the prixen thingy. LOL
By the way I finally saw the second half of Mystic Warrior! I must add Robert looks Purdy as an Indian!!!
Robert Beltran is gorgeous all the time!
Chuckling
Robert`s on stage today. (till Sunday)
The Latino Company presents "Solitude" in San Jose.
This is from facebook:
Ummmm...Marieka? Might be best to send us reviews after the event rather than PR from Facebook beforehand.
This is on the LATC website:
http://thelatc.org/about/latino-theater-company/
Trackbacks Check out what others are saying... http://www.engine28.com/2011/06/18/solitude-waxing-philosophical-waning-into-tedium/
"...But the script by Evelina Fernandez (who also plays Ramona, the old flame) is just plain tedious....You could give Fernandez the benefit of the doubt and assume she is breaking the first rule of narrative – show, don’t say – on purpose, to imitate the abstract psychocultural diagnosis in Paz’s The Labyrinth of Solitude, which is liberally quoted throughout. But watching the play is like conversing with people who have spent their entire lives in therapy and have no sense of social filter: This is the way I am, and this is what happened in my childhood that made the way I am. Oh, how I wish I could be someone else! The playwright may think she has dramatized her ideas, but she’s merely turned them into dialogue....
...The actors, directed by Jose Luis Valenzuela, make a valiant effort to bring the turgid text to life. Sal Lopez displays an easygoing charm as Johnny, the one who refers to a funeral reception as a party. Beltran, on the other hand, seems to be playing a parody of the Most Interesting Man in the World from those Dos Equis ads, with an exaggerated accent and cloying romanticism. Maybe he is trying to out-suave another Star Trek alum, Ricardo Montalban...."
You can check out the rest of the review for yourself.
Chuckling
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Ah, Chuckling, you`ve picked one the very few "bad" reviews.
But there have been many very good ones when the play was on in LA.
The La Times ( "sexy, funny Robert Beltran in the show’s linchpin performance")
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cul...w-solitude-at-los-angeles-theatre-center.html
Other reviews about RB:
""And I can't end my review without mentioning Robert Beltran who both stole my heart with his looks, but touched my heart with his comedic talent. "
""And then Saturday night I tweeted "great, unexpected, stylized show!" after seeing Robert Beltran waaaaay far from Chakotay in the world premiere of Solitude at Los Angeles Theatre Center downtown, with the playwright in the cast."
And than is there the reviews from Larry Nemececk
http://larrynemecek.blogspot.com/search/label/Beltran.%20Robert
I live too far away, so I can`t go to watch the play myself.
But there have been many very good ones when the play was on in LA.
The La Times ( "sexy, funny Robert Beltran in the show’s linchpin performance")
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cul...w-solitude-at-los-angeles-theatre-center.html
Other reviews about RB:
""And I can't end my review without mentioning Robert Beltran who both stole my heart with his looks, but touched my heart with his comedic talent. "
""And then Saturday night I tweeted "great, unexpected, stylized show!" after seeing Robert Beltran waaaaay far from Chakotay in the world premiere of Solitude at Los Angeles Theatre Center downtown, with the playwright in the cast."
And than is there the reviews from Larry Nemececk
http://larrynemecek.blogspot.com/search/label/Beltran.%20Robert
I live too far away, so I can`t go to watch the play myself.
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Well Marieka, you'd have to understand California a little for that to make sense. When a show first comes out, especially when it involves what is regarded as a minority theater company and one which is a not-for-profit, the reviewers will always tend to be as supportive as possible.
The L.A.T.C. is a not-for-profit theater company. It relies on charitable donations and funding from philanthropists or philanthropic groups for its survival, not ticket sales (as a professional company or production does). Ticket sales assist in mounting the productions but don't cover the actual bottom line.
There are various levels of theater in the USA and while this level of theater is extremely important for the supporting of emerging talent and beginning artists, it is not at the level of full professional productions which reviewers pay detailed attention to.
It is on the level of fringe, experimental or community theater. Reviewers generally don't like to be too critical of such productions and want to be supportive. Both the L.A.T.C. and Teatro Vision fit into this vital category of production creation.
That's why *Solitude* was part of the Radar L.A. Festival last year: It's fringe theater.
http://www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/stage/radar-l-a-festival/
Of course, there is nothing wrong with that but it can be confusing for people living outside of the USA (such as where you are in Germany) who are not used to the theater system used in California .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_theatre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_arts
In the USA, live theater is structured around who has or has not got their Union card. That defines at what level a production is operating. i.e. whether or not they are offering Equity contracts or not.
http://www.actorsequity.org/home.asp
In the case of Evelina Fernandez's film "Luminarias", as they explain on the Director's Commentary, the actors were not paid; it was done as a charitable work to support and further Latino film interests.
Getting your hands on something such as Luis Valdez's "La Bamba" will give you an idea of a Latino professional production to compare it to and where these productions fit in the scheme of things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Valdez
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0883609/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093378/
It was Luis Valdez who gave Robert his first film role in "Zoot Suit" starring the brilliant Edward James Olmos as "El Pachuco".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083365/
Valdez also cast Robert in *La Pastorela* as well as in plays at his theater "El Teatro Campesino" in San Juan Bautista.
http://dqcafe.section-disparu.com/actors/beltran.htm
"...Beltran’s extensive theatre background includes performances in ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’, ‘Hamlet’ and ‘King Henry IV’. He has also appeared in ‘Corridos’, ‘Rose of the Rancho’, ‘ La Pastorela’ and ‘I Don’t Have To Show You No Stinkin’ Badges’..."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102644/
http://www.elteatrocampesino.com/
I have been to many shows at *El Teatro Campesino* and although work commitments currently prevent my getting back there, I hope to attend many more in the future.
Hope that gives you a clearer idea of how things work in CA! As someone who has worked both without and with an Equity card, I realize how confusing it can all be! I love working both sides of the equation so like to see productions from all levels of theater, appreciating and enjoying each for their unique qualities and strengths.
Chuckling
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Well Katherine, that would be because a theater company receiving funding still needs to get backsides on seats. They won't continue getting the funding if they don't have the numbers to justify their existence when it comes time for their funding to be renewed.
It's good PR and marketing to have great and encouraging reviews and particularly in the case of multicultural theater (such as the LATC), the theater community like to see them survive and thrive and succeed! It's good for everybody.
There's nothing wrong with PR and marketing but before making blanket statements about whether something is a success or not, it can be good to seek a balance regarding whether something is actually succeeding or not.
When a play starts out, everybody is hopeful it's going to do really well! But after it's been work-shopped for awhile (as the LATC does with their original plays...as you know), an audience wants to see its growth and development. Otherwise you lose an entire audience section who might see the play more than once to see how it has grown or changed over its many performances.
You have some great fringe and community theater in Germany Katherine! I'm sure it's the same there.
BTW, the San Jose shows are over for the weekend. Any reviews coming up on-line now? I know you guys keep an eye on the web for such information.
Chuckling
Hmmmmm... I still cannot really understand that system, however, if it's working well that way - why not.
Btw, there were some reviews online of San Jose's "Solitude":
http://artsalot.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/review-solitude-teatro-vision/
http://www.facebook.com/TeatroVision
Btw, there were some reviews online of San Jose's "Solitude":
http://artsalot.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/review-solitude-teatro-vision/
http://www.facebook.com/TeatroVision
Hmmmmm... I still cannot really understand that system, however, if it's working well that way - why not.
Btw, there were some reviews online of San Jose's "Solitude":
http://artsalot.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/review-solitude-teatro-vision/
http://www.facebook.com/TeatroVision
Those are great Katherine! And congratulations to the theater and production. But in terms of theater and the Industry, they are not great reviews.
The comment at Facebook is at the Teatro Vision page and is from somebody involved with the theater who has made positive comments to promote it. In terms of the theater community, they would make a note of it but not pay it much attention. Plus they don't say who it actually is who has made the remark, they are not identified. It could be their head of marketing and nobody would know so the theater community says words to the effect of "that's nice" and move on.
Again, the follow up comment is from a Teatro Vision supporter:
"...Milina Jovanovic I just saw the last performance of "Solitude" and it was really, really great! In addition, I feel like at home at Teatro Vision. My heart is filled with pride: I am so happy to be embraced by my Latino friends and comrades. That's another important reason I keep coming to Teatro. the main reason is good theatre...."
And they are complimenting the theater and supporting it because it's where they feel most at home and can see their friends and be part of their community.
There are many Chicano theaters in California and they provide a great selection for people to choose from. There are wonderful Latino theaters right across America!
The Artsalot review is far more impressive!
But even then, as you can see, a local community theater and fringe group is described as if it is a guilty pleasure and the writer admits that what she is writing is a marketing exercise. And in terms of the theater community and how they regard a production that means they will discount everything else the reviewer has written. In other words, this piece, even as the genuine response of the writer, will end up being ignored.
"...It is because of this…I’ll say it, I’m not afraid… love for Teatro’s past work that I embarked on a small marketing mission for Teatro....It was my “job” to market the show before it opened. I am not at all required to write a review, positive or otherwise, but after last night I am compelled to do so. ..."
Reviews that are noted and paid attention to are those from people not at all allied with the theater or anybody associated with the production or anybody in it.
It can be extremely difficult for people who are not in the local area to work out when something is PR and marketing or a genuine review. Material gets put up on the internet and unless you know something of the local situation and circumstances you are left relying on what is written there or the information from someone you are messaging or texting or e-mailing etc.,
But even then they could tell you anything and you would have to accept what they say at face value. I could tell you the sky is overcast and cloudy where I am and you would have to accept my word for it because you can't be sure you know where I am or where I am writing from. Unless you were here yourself, you couldn't be sure if what I was saying was true or not.
It's the same thing with accepting people's word with regard to anything posted on-line. In general, Americans are very positive and supportive people, especially in San Francisco and the Bay area and San Jose and surrounding areas. And in particular, among those in the Latino community. They will try to be as supportive as possible to anybody mounting a theatrical production because they still regard that as emerging theater.
I don't see it that way. I believe they have already emerged and are of a standard now where they no longer need those kind of props. (as if they were children). Now they can face up to being treated as any other legitimate theater and deal with what goes along with being so.
Frankly, I see many such efforts at marketing condescending and in some cases even offensive.
Let me give you an actual example you and I both know about. Take a look at these:
http://www.vidiot.com/st-voy/Cast/RB.html
http://dqcafe.section-disparu.com/actors/beltran.htm
http://www.startrekguide.dk/ukrobertbeltran.html
http://www.definition-of.net/who-is-Robert%2BBeltran
The bio. for Robert on Evelina Fernandez's own *Luminarias* DVD starts off, "Robert Beltran was born on November 19, 1957, Bakersfield, California".
And yet all over the Internet there are references to Robert Beltran having been born in 1953. That was because there was a group of fans who decided it would somehow "help Robert's career" if he was viewed as being older and they went around to all the public websites listing his name and changed the details.
In fact, Robert does have a relative (who I think is called Matius) who was born in 1953 but Matius is not Robert. He is also an actor but he is not Robert even though they look a lot alike.
For years now people have been quoting this incorrect "fact" because they were getting them off IMDB or Wikipedia but they are wrong.
It's just part of being on the Internet that you can't take what you see there at face value and then act on it; particularly when you are not involved in the personal situation and are only seeing it from a distance. Inevitably the information you are getting from the Internet is not going to be reliable enough for you to work out what does or does not need to be done in those circumstances and you can get badly hurt, as can the local people who are involved as a consequence. i.e. Robert's friends and family members who are on-line and seeing things such as misinformation being spread about him.
But it's great to hear that the audiences have enjoyed *Solitude* so much this weekend and hopefully there will be some independent reviews come out that they can then use to support the rest of their tour! (PR and marketing style reviews are not a lot of use when you are touring. You need objective reviews in order to get butts on seats outside of your own state.)
Chuckling
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Leaving us hanging on the prixen thingy. LOL
By the way I finally saw the second half of Mystic Warrior! I must add Robert looks Purdy as an Indian!!!
Sorry, didn't see this earlier. Apparently the "boys" on Voyager thought the term "Prixin" was suggestive, and Ethan Phillips came up with a song to celebrate its alternative meaning. That's the song I'd like to hear!
Curious about the age discrepancy Chuckling.....Would even his College have the wrong birthdate? http://www.csufresno.edu/artshum/alumni/beltran.shtml
Are you saying you know Robert personally? Just curious because the age question is frustrating....I was trying to figure out how old Robert's brother Louie is but couldn't even find his birthdate on the internet at all. It's a conspiracy LOL!
Does anyone know when he graduated high school? The web site RAB has high school photos from somewhere. That should answer the question.
If not someone needs to go on a mission and directly ask the man!
Are you saying you know Robert personally? Just curious because the age question is frustrating....I was trying to figure out how old Robert's brother Louie is but couldn't even find his birthdate on the internet at all. It's a conspiracy LOL!
Does anyone know when he graduated high school? The web site RAB has high school photos from somewhere. That should answer the question.
If not someone needs to go on a mission and directly ask the man!
Hi Mamascatz,
I know the family and I know Robert. The College website had the original year listed but somebody changed it; I am guessing a student or somebody thought they were "fixing" what they thought was incorrect information!
But I don't see why people need to know Louie's age. Would that change how you see his music? It's kind of irrelevant to being someone's fan and in Louie's case he likes to keep that information to himself. That's his choice and real fans will respect that IMO.
For whatever reason the family likes to keep their private information out of the public eye and I believe all fans should respect that, wherever they come from. That's their choice and their right to do so.
I had a very dear friend who would never tell ANYBODY her age because she said that's when people place you in boxes and stereotype you. I only found out after she passed away that she was much older than anyone realized she was. I decided she was right: It really doesn't matter how old you are (unless your an actor and it can lose you jobs).
IMO anyway. Having said that, I am not concerned about people knowing my age. I've earned the grey hairs I get dyed regularly! LOL!
Chuckling
Cool.
I think the reason people...or at least myself are interested in age is because it helps us form a picture of celebrities as real people. I find the idea of a large family like the Beltran's with so much talent growing up in Southern California during a time period where the world was changing so much , fascinating. It would make a great story. I'm the third eldest of 7 myself. We are all artistic and creative(I paint..my little bro is an actor) and I know that we have all influenced each other creatively.. So I'm less interested in Robert and Louie's exact ages and more interested in the age difference between them because it reminds me of my own family..It's inspiring.
I think the reason people...or at least myself are interested in age is because it helps us form a picture of celebrities as real people. I find the idea of a large family like the Beltran's with so much talent growing up in Southern California during a time period where the world was changing so much , fascinating. It would make a great story. I'm the third eldest of 7 myself. We are all artistic and creative(I paint..my little bro is an actor) and I know that we have all influenced each other creatively.. So I'm less interested in Robert and Louie's exact ages and more interested in the age difference between them because it reminds me of my own family..It's inspiring.
I appreciate that Mamacatz. And it sounds like you've got your own fascinating story to be told!
Robert and Louie's personal details are not really going to help you tell your story so best to concentrate on your own and the story of your own family.
As I said before, for personal reasons they would prefer to keep their private lives private and people need to respect that and stop guessing. I'm sure if it were your family being pried into you may well feel the same.
It's an extremely large family and they don't all live in southern California any longer. They all have their own lives and really just want to get on with those lives and work without interruption; Something some fans seem to have some difficulty understanding.
I'm sure you'll understand that I respect their decision and that you won't ask me or anybody else for any further details but will just enjoy the public work they are willing to present.
Just because someone starts working in a job that is in the public eye or involves celebrity of some kind, it doesn't mean the rest of the family are also signing on for that kind of attention as well! And in their family's case, it is a very large extended family who are private people and while enjoying and supporting each other's work, they don't necessarily get themselves involved personally.
That's what works best for them and I believe *Star Trek* fans are the kind of understanding, supportive people who will respect that.
But thanks for expressing your interest.
Chuckling
So Chuckling, does your name come from the nickname given to Chakotay by some fans, "Chuckles"?
I always thought Chuckles was a derogatory name for the character.
As to teacake, I've always been teacake. Since 1998.
As to teacake, I've always been teacake. Since 1998.
I didn't start out as a derogatory name. If you watch Chakotay, it isn't unusual for him to have a quiet "chuckle" to himself when nobody else is watching or when speaking with Janeway.
It was an endearing thing originally. People used to like looking for the number of times he was "chuckling" in each episode! It was part of the character people often overlooked.
Chuckling
For Katherine and other Robert Beltran fans discussing these matters,
Posting in other forums asking people to assure you that Robert was born in 1953 is not going to cause that to be true. Nor is it appropriate for fans to make demands of the actors to prove to them that lies published on the Internet are such.
Fans often don't think about the possible consequences when they make these alterations. They don't consider what ramifications their actions could have on the actor concerned and their career. It can be a dreadful process getting websites such as the IMDB and Wikipedia to change their information!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/actress-suing-imdb-reveals-name-279213
I am been asked (by the authorities involved) to let the fans know that Robert Beltran has signed an affidavit stating that he was born in 1957. The affidavit covers many other issues as well and has been signed appropriately to enable it to be legal proof in America and overseas.
As legal and court actions have already begun neither I nor anybody else will be able to comment on these matters further.
I am also well aware that many of the fans involved in these matters have already been asked by the authorities (including the German authorities) to cease their activities and are refusing to believe they need to do so. Hence the decision having been made to put up this post.
I can assure them that these are not tactics or game playing. These matters are currently before the courts and have been for some weeks. Arrests have already been made whether you have heard about them on-line or not. There is a suppression order covering aspects of this situation and the media are respecting that. As matters proceed, news of these matters will be able to be reported but for the time being that is not the case.
All parties involved trust the *Star Trek* fans to also respect such restrictions and to allow the legal process to continue uninterrupted.
It was felt making this "announcement" informally was more respectful to the fans than issuing individuals with Contempt of Court notices. It would be greatly appreciated if fans take note of these matters rather than formal processes having to be followed through with in the future.
Additionally, if there are any fans who for some reason regard themselves to have information about these matters or concerns or problems as a result please contact the CIA, MI6 or Australian Secret Intelligence Service with that information or requests. You can find their contact information on their websites.
https://www.cia.gov/
www.sis.gov.uk/
www.asis.gov.au/
Thank-you for your consideration and assistance in these matters.
Sadly this is not a prank post. Those with further information can also send written information to CBS who will pass it on to the CIA/MI6/ASIS as well.
http://www.cbs.com/
Hopefully everything will be resolved rapidly and we can all get back to enjoying *Star Trek* without these kind of issues hanging over all our heads.
Chuckling
Posting in other forums asking people to assure you that Robert was born in 1953 is not going to cause that to be true. Nor is it appropriate for fans to make demands of the actors to prove to them that lies published on the Internet are such.
Fans often don't think about the possible consequences when they make these alterations. They don't consider what ramifications their actions could have on the actor concerned and their career. It can be a dreadful process getting websites such as the IMDB and Wikipedia to change their information!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/actress-suing-imdb-reveals-name-279213
I am been asked (by the authorities involved) to let the fans know that Robert Beltran has signed an affidavit stating that he was born in 1957. The affidavit covers many other issues as well and has been signed appropriately to enable it to be legal proof in America and overseas.
As legal and court actions have already begun neither I nor anybody else will be able to comment on these matters further.
I am also well aware that many of the fans involved in these matters have already been asked by the authorities (including the German authorities) to cease their activities and are refusing to believe they need to do so. Hence the decision having been made to put up this post.
I can assure them that these are not tactics or game playing. These matters are currently before the courts and have been for some weeks. Arrests have already been made whether you have heard about them on-line or not. There is a suppression order covering aspects of this situation and the media are respecting that. As matters proceed, news of these matters will be able to be reported but for the time being that is not the case.
All parties involved trust the *Star Trek* fans to also respect such restrictions and to allow the legal process to continue uninterrupted.
It was felt making this "announcement" informally was more respectful to the fans than issuing individuals with Contempt of Court notices. It would be greatly appreciated if fans take note of these matters rather than formal processes having to be followed through with in the future.
Additionally, if there are any fans who for some reason regard themselves to have information about these matters or concerns or problems as a result please contact the CIA, MI6 or Australian Secret Intelligence Service with that information or requests. You can find their contact information on their websites.
https://www.cia.gov/
www.sis.gov.uk/
www.asis.gov.au/
Thank-you for your consideration and assistance in these matters.
Sadly this is not a prank post. Those with further information can also send written information to CBS who will pass it on to the CIA/MI6/ASIS as well.
http://www.cbs.com/
Hopefully everything will be resolved rapidly and we can all get back to enjoying *Star Trek* without these kind of issues hanging over all our heads.
Chuckling
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