The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

And the ship is crabbing through space still. Some things never change.

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

The only change I'd like to see with the Stargazer (and that other Constellation ship in Elementary, Dear Data) is to have it shrunken way the hell down. Considering the scale of the saucer, nacelles, and windows on that model, it appears WAY too massive in size compared to the Enterprise-D:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x10/battle162.jpg

 

Nope, it's clearly a matte painting because, aside from the windows, it contains changes made to the model for Generations (single window instead of 2 above the torpedo launcher and the extra details added to the thrusters).

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

It and other smaller ships we see across the series could benefit from a rescaling.

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

I just imagine that its an issue of forced perspective in those cases where a ship appears too large/small in a scene. It helps me get through the day.

 

They should change the scales... That was always irritating. I wonder if they will change the K'Vort Bird of Preys in "Yesterday's Enterprise", I woud love to see a bunch of new Klingon ships.

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

Yeah, people complain about the scale issues with JJ's Enterprise, but TNG was possibly an even worse offender over the years.

I don't really need the Stargazer to be shrunken down ALL the way (which I guess would be the length of the D's nacelles), because obviously it still has to represent some kind of threat in the story. But hopefully they at least shrink it down a little bit.

 

And then there's this hilarious shot, where the Ent-D appears almost microscopic compared to how the refit measured up in TWOK.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x09/themeasureofaman025.jpg

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

Wel, TNG has the excuse of being limited with what they could do with models and video technology in the 1980s/90s on a TV show budget. The scale problems in JJ's Trek comes from just arrogance in making the ship simply way too damn big for it to make any sense.

As for the size of it, the look of it in the screen cap seems almost right. I'd say it only needs to come down a little bit, it looks like the ships only real hull is about the size of the Enterprise's secondary hull (excluding the interconnecting dorsal neck) which would only make it maybe twenty decks or so high, or about the size of Kirk's Enterprise from top to bottom. Maybe a touch "big" but not too unreasonable.

 

Ugh. And the lighting is a total mismatch.

 

I think slightly tweaking the miniature digitally is too unlikely an explanation. There are other detail mismatches too:



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You're right about the added windows in the separation sequence. But I think it's perhaps due to the window light pass being slightly misaligned in the original composite by ILM, causing the windows furthest from the camera to appear as if they were unlit:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/106678

 

THIS IS THE SHOT. The warp stars are OFF-ANGLE. I sincerely hope they fix that. This one shot irritates me every time it's shown. It's like the original Enterprise flying straight ahead into the screen at a 3/4 perspective...every week it did that. It looks bad.

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

Yes, please rescale this ship and all other ships to the correct size when actually sending out the season sets. The Constitution-class saucer and nacelles should not be that huge in comparison to the Enterprise-D, and a lot of other ships (Excelsiors, Birds of Prey, etc.) as well.

 

I'd like to see the ships rescaled too.

But it doesn't look like they're doing that based on the Ent-D with the Hood shot.

 

All I'm trying to say is that there are things that desperately need to be corrected that are not necessarily just "rescan the originals into HD".

This might sound like nitpicking, but the starfield that switches motion from the planet Saturn is something everyone else noticed (that they should have corrected). But has anyone noticed that the actual planet Saturn looks rocky as opposed to what the real one is supposed to look like?

Man I'm even afraid of suggesting that they should have corrected that to look more like the real Saturn lest everyone gang up on me calling me a Lucas fanboy.

Anyway it looks like you guys are getting what you want anyway, which is most of the original shots remastered to HD, and CGI filling in the holes almost exactly like the original aired. The fixing of the energy beam in EaF seems almost coincidental, and I'm actually surprised most aren't calling it a Lucas moment.

 

Who says that's Saturn?

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

God how I loathe that shot. I hate that flyby of the Enterprise (it's probably my most disliked shot of the full series), and the first season used it all the time, had in more ships and its still absolutely terrible.

 

Re: The OFFICIAL STNG-R - Stargazer redesign?

That's actually the thing I was most disappointed that we aren't getting. I am fine with almost all shots designed at the time, but god could you at least pretend the scale is close.

 

Don't be obtuse. Not every planet with rings is supposed to be Saturn. Especially that one.

 

To be honest, it's been that way for so long I think I'd just be distracted seeing the stars coming from a radically different angle now.