Socialism is a form of economy, not a form of government so that doesn't really follow.
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Socialism is a form of economy, not a form of government so that doesn't really follow.
Um, no, just no. I can swallow that argument with some reservations for the USSR, but when people in this forum say "socialist" what they mean is something like the Labour Party or the German SPD and not the fucking Bolsheviks.
Bullshit. More than bullshit, in fact, since your link has nothing to do with it. If anything, it underlines how modern social democracy is only tangentially (in fact, only historically) related with the early-20th century socialist popular movements. Or are you arguing that Denmark and Norway, contries with a social democratic party currently in charge of government, are no different than the USSR and the PRC? (Well, maybe you might argue that, but that doesn't mean it's a sensible argument...)
The two are no more similar than the modern right-wing parties with early-20th century nationalist movements.
^When factoring into left/right, political compass etc... what is used as the base line for comparrison.
In the UK the two main parties are considered to be centre-right (conservative) or centre-left (Labour) yet both are considered right wing on the political compass. Though that might be unique to the left/right axis as it is percieved in the UK.
Not sure how my fellow Europeans would describe the axis of their main parties and if it comes close to what that page is suggesting.
In the UK the two main parties are considered to be centre-right (conservative) or centre-left (Labour) yet both are considered right wing on the political compass. Though that might be unique to the left/right axis as it is percieved in the UK.
Not sure how my fellow Europeans would describe the axis of their main parties and if it comes close to what that page is suggesting.
I don't like being compared to a Nazi, even if the person doing it has no idea what they're talking about.
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Surprise us again with another show of your blinding ignorance of history and politics.
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The prosecution rests.
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Careful, Gemhaters. Go to -> User CP -> Group Memberships and click the box on "The Neutral Zone", to get access to a "hidden" forum where talking like that is allowed, but in Misc people are more sensitive. 
eta: ah, too slow to help, oh well. Still, come to TNZ anyway, GemHaters.
eta: ah, too slow to help, oh well. Still, come to TNZ anyway, GemHaters.
Btw. why is it that calling a racist a racist is a horrifying allegation in the USA that is only allowed if you have video documentation of said person lynching a black guy, but "socialist" in the sense of "bolshevik" or "Nazi" gets thrown around like it's meaningless?
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Because racism (to a degree) is still an undercurrent in the U.S. social fabric, while "socialism" scares the shit out of morons and many (but not all) baby boomers.
I'm a member of the German party Die Linke (The Left) and consider myself to be a Democratic Socialist.
Exactly the sort that apparently GemHaters might confuse for a member of the KKK.
I'm a Conservative but only a few steps off the middle I'd say.
I'm about a 70/30 type issues voter.
Which means more times than not I vote Republican.
I have voted Democrat at all 3 levels but the last 10yrs when it comes to National level it's GOP. Gore was the last time I voted Democrat at that level in 2000. The federal level issues are just too socialist for my tastes. Note, I'm not a moron but that type rhetoric by J.Allen is why things are so bad at the National level. It's full blown "all in" or else with the mentality of Liberal Democrat voters.
At the state and local levels there seems to be more sanity, at least in my state, between the parties and issues.
I'm about a 70/30 type issues voter.
Which means more times than not I vote Republican.
I have voted Democrat at all 3 levels but the last 10yrs when it comes to National level it's GOP. Gore was the last time I voted Democrat at that level in 2000. The federal level issues are just too socialist for my tastes. Note, I'm not a moron but that type rhetoric by J.Allen is why things are so bad at the National level. It's full blown "all in" or else with the mentality of Liberal Democrat voters.
At the state and local levels there seems to be more sanity, at least in my state, between the parties and issues.
J's got a point though. all that crap about Obama's health care reforms being socialist were greeted in the UK with a lot 'so what?', whereas in the US everyone who disagreed with the plans was acting like he was the new coming of Stalin or Marx.
socialism is not bad. Communism is bad.
and for a nation that likes to blare about how all men are equal, y'all got a damn funny way of showing it lately.
socialism is not bad. Communism is bad.
and for a nation that likes to blare about how all men are equal, y'all got a damn funny way of showing it lately.
America: Finally we have Roe v Wade...our courts have stepped in where our legislature refused and a foetus can be aborted upto 12 weeks into the pregnancy...
Britain: Pussies! Not only did Parliament pass that 6 years ago, but we'll kill 28 week old viable babies!
Sometimes we're too liberal for our own good =p
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