The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[RAMA]

Gone for almost a day and everyone is splitting hairs about missing a few windows, and who worked on what. Doesn't really matter that much to me. Some things will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, I changed my shipping on my order for faster delivery.

With the shipping on my order I should get it on Tuesday, anyway, yeah there seems to be a lot of squabbling over what version of the ship is being used for the CGI, or the model, or whatever.

Who. Cares.

If the appearance or disappearance of a tiny window is going to make or break this for you then... I don't know what to say, honestly.

The ship looks good whether it's person A's CGI work, person B's CGI work, film of the 6' Model, film of the 4' model (though that model has a lot of problems), a CGI rendering of a specific model, or whatever... BAHH!!!!!

I mean, to liken this to TOS where the end-caps of the warp nacelles constantly changed inside episodes I can see the arguments on squabbling on that stuff and the choices the TOS-R people made to "fix" it. That's something rather major (and I really don't remember if they made the necessary fixes in TOS-R, and what they went with.)

But this?! You people are squabbling over tiny windows on a model! Something that you're not going to notice or really see in the grand scheme of things. Hell, I could see this argument making an ounce of sense if it was over the placement of the registry badge, the docking port, which side of the dorsal the narrower shuttle bay was placed on, etc.

This. Is. A. WINDOW!

A certain SNL sketch featuring William Shatner is coming to mind....

The CGI model isn't exact, but who says it has to be.

 

[GalaxyX]

http://www.imagebanana.com/view/x5ue...mall_side1.jpg

How can anyone say that's not a beautiful ship???

RAMA

The Galaxy Class is my second favorite ship of all time. The reason is because, even though I love the design, I have to admit with other people's assesment that it is very top heavy.

However, where most people disagree with me is when I say that the Refit Galaxy Class from "AGT" fixed everything that was wrong with the original design. It added that needed mass to the star drive section by adding the 3rd nacelle/pylon, and those extra bumps on the nacelles. I could have done without the hot rod wings and the phaser cannon, but they do not take away from the design IMO. This ship is my favorite of all time, and it's the one I wish I could have seen in action. Thankfully I will get to see it kick some klingon ass when AGT gets remastered

Gone for almost a day and everyone is splitting hairs about missing a few windows, and who worked on what. Doesn't really matter that much to me. Some things will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, I changed my shipping on my order for faster delivery.

You do realize you are on the Next Generation forum of a Star Trek board right? Just look at how much people freak out over the terror of the show getting "reimagined". I'm surprised they aren't complaining about the awesome job on the lighting of the deflector dish. I'd imagine they'd want the original one but in "HD"

 

[RAMA]

http://www.imagebanana.com/view/x5ue...mall_side1.jpg

How can anyone say that's not a beautiful ship???

RAMA

The Galaxy Class is my second favorite ship of all time. The reason is because, even though I love the design, I have to admit with other people's assesment that it is very top heavy.

However, where most people disagree with me is when I say that the Refit Galaxy Class from "AGT" fixed everything that was wrong with the original design. It added that needed mass to the star drive section by adding the 3rd nacelle/pylon, and those extra bumps on the nacelles. I could have done without the hot rod wings and the phaser cannon, but they do not take away from the design IMO. This ship is my favorite of all time, and it's the one I wish I could have seen in action. Thankfully I will get to see it kick some klingon ass when AGT gets remastered

Gone for almost a day and everyone is splitting hairs about missing a few windows, and who worked on what. Doesn't really matter that much to me. Some things will be revealed in time. Meanwhile, I changed my shipping on my order for faster delivery.

You do realize you are on the Next Generation forum of a Star Trek board right? Just look at how much people freak out over the terror of the show getting "reimagined". I'm surprised they aren't complaining about the awesome job on the lighting of the deflector dish. I'd imagine they'd want the original one but in "HD"

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

 

[Trekker4747]

The CGI model isn't exact, but who says it has to be.

Exactly, if it looks as good or better than the original, glorious, model I'll be happy. I'm not going to go counting windows on the neck to pick the smallest of nits. Will I pick the larger nit of, say, the saucer impulse engines being on in the TATV version of the CGI ship? Yeah, because -to me- that's a fairly big thing and if that's "changed" in the TNG-R sets then I'll make some gripes. The saucer impulse engines only came on in separated flight mode.

But I'm not the least bit concerned over a tiny window on a massive model.

 

[Hober Mallow]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

 

[Maxwell Everett]

Why didn't you show that one earlier with the one with the barely visible nick in the paint? The picture you posted earlier was hardly conclusive evidence of a window being painted over.

Because it took time to bring it into Photoshop, adjust the levels and point out explicitly what I was seeing. Personally, I think I did it pretty fast.

 

[RAMA]

The CGI model isn't exact, but who says it has to be.

Exactly, if it looks as good or better than the original, glorious, model I'll be happy. I'm not going to go counting windows on the neck to pick the smallest of nits. Will I pick the larger nit of, say, the saucer impulse engines being on in the TATV version of the CGI ship? Yeah, because -to me- that's a fairly big thing and if that's "changed" in the TNG-R sets then I'll make some gripes. The saucer impulse engines only came on in separated flight mode.

But I'm not the least bit concerned over a tiny window on a massive model.

I tried making this comparison with TOS-R in that forum...no one really "got it". So what if the TOS Enterprise isn't perfect if it works for HD and the original doesn't? An imperfect CGI model is light years better than the best FX with physical models they could execute in 1966! Still, the TOS-R model was far from imperfect.

 

[Trekker4747]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

Rick Berman was also a giant asshole, so...

 

[RAMA]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

I think the movies were simply the cue to do something different.

 

[Maxwell Everett]

If the appearance or disappearance of a tiny window is going to make or break this for you then... I don't know what to say, honestly.

Who is saying that though? No one is saying the CG model sucks because it's missing a window. And no one is saying it "breaks [it] for [them.]" Go back and re-read page 60. You're way off base here.

 

[Trekker4747]

Still, the Enterprise-D was as much of a "character" as anyone else, destroying it in such an un-dignified manner was insulting almost as insulting as the way the killed Kirk in the same movie.

The TNG cast just wasn't the same on that fanwank of a ship Enterprise-E.

Who is saying that though?

I guess you guys haven't said it exactly, but still the level of which you guys are squabbling over this window is... absurd.

 

[Skywalker]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

Rick Berman was also a giant asshole, so...

Allegedly being an asshole doesn't make him wrong.

 

[GalaxyX]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

Rick Berman was also a giant asshole, so...

Beat me to it

 

[GalaxyX]

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

Rick Berman was also a giant asshole, so...

Allegedly being an asshole doesn't make him wrong.

It makes his wrong when every single TNG movie sucked ass, with First Contact sucking the least ass of them all.

 

[Trekker4747]

FC didn't suck ass at all. But it would have been made more awesome had the Ent-D been in it.

 

[bobd]

....but still the level of which you guys are squabbling over this window is... absurd.

No, it isn't. And we're not concerned about "this window."

There was a debate going on about what evidence there was pointing to Tobias Richter's Galaxy Class Mesh being used in the sampler bluray. The single window above the docking port is an easy way (maybe) to tell his 3D mesh apart from the 6-footer.

I'll cherish TNG in HD, no matter how many windows I see.

 

[Trekker4747]

And does it matter whose mesh it is?

 

[22 Stars]

Lol, FC is ok but way overrated by most IMO. Whoever picked a lame slow zero gravity non-fight as the pivotal action piece was misguided to say the least.

But OT, i think the work overall in the Taste, is remarkable, and I look forward to seeing each episode, looking for the new effects. Even the sucky eps.

 

[bobd]

And does it matter whose mesh it is?

Does anything matter on a Star Trek message board?

But it's fun to speculate about.

 

[RAMA]

There's no such thing as "top heavy" in space, it matters not one whit. I think the huge saucer is both graceful and in-your-face technology unchained.

RAMA

If I remember right, that was Rick Berman's main criticism with the D, that it was too top heavy and photographed weird, and that was his reasoning for destroying it in "Generations."

Rick Berman was also a giant asshole, so...

This is highly exaggerated...especially ex post facto. This is also something the internet and ST forums are good for.

RAMA