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With no Space Seed, how can there be a "Khan Movie"?
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Technically, any new Khan movie would be a "Space Seed" movie, since it would no doubt deal with the Botany Bay being found. The filmmakers would probably want to keep Khan alive at the end, to set up a new revenge plot for a "Wrath of Khan" type sequel. This is all speculation, of course, but it would seem like the logical approach.
Also, I would bet money on any "sequel" to the next movie (if it actually does feature Khan) being called "Star Trek: The Revenge of Khan".
Also, I would bet money on any "sequel" to the next movie (if it actually does feature Khan) being called "Star Trek: The Revenge of Khan".
Honestly, I think they just meant that exactly the way it sounds: that it would tie their hands plot-wise, that it would force the sequel to be about Khan when they didn't know if they wanted to use Khan.
It's quite possible his "clone" was a failed experiment, left with a long life, but no other super human features. Even then, the character was not one to root for because he experimented on Spock, nearly causing his death.
To make Augments even appear nice would be a disservice to "The Wrath of Khan."
*cough!* Bashir *cough!*
Weird
Trekkers get redassed about the oddest things. I remember when we first learned that the new E was 1200 M, then 750, then 1200 then 750 whatever. There was a violent reaction from a number of the fanbase (there still is to this day LOL). At first I thought it was from tampon pissy Next Gen fans that didn't want Kirk to have a bigger badder ship than theirs but then I realized it was really just a bunch of weirdos
Now we are getting , to my mind, one of the most fantastic actors (a real actor not a personality) to play Khan and again the same angry violent reaction from a segment of fans (not here mind you but accross the various Trek boards many genuinely seemd ass sore). I don't get it. You know they are going to go for Box office not the thought proviking Trek stories of morality and human dilema from the 60's. Frankly that was just a much more historically interesting time to live, writers could pluck a socially relevant stroy from the air and wrap it up in a nifty action drama. Most were directly or indirectly affected by WWII so they understood evil , the need to fight and the horrors of war and sacrifice. Writers today didn't live through that.
We ain't getting brilliant thought provoking sci fi from Orci and Kurtzman, They are the kings of dumb popcorn bigscreen fun. I accept that and maybe that's what let me enjoy the first film so much. I think because of that Khan would likely translate (based on their abilities) to the most interesting big screen Trek adaption they are capable of delivering. Cumberbatch will create chicken slad out of chicken shit whith their hackey writing, have faith
Trekkers get redassed about the oddest things. I remember when we first learned that the new E was 1200 M, then 750, then 1200 then 750 whatever. There was a violent reaction from a number of the fanbase (there still is to this day LOL). At first I thought it was from tampon pissy Next Gen fans that didn't want Kirk to have a bigger badder ship than theirs but then I realized it was really just a bunch of weirdos
Now we are getting , to my mind, one of the most fantastic actors (a real actor not a personality) to play Khan and again the same angry violent reaction from a segment of fans (not here mind you but accross the various Trek boards many genuinely seemd ass sore). I don't get it. You know they are going to go for Box office not the thought proviking Trek stories of morality and human dilema from the 60's. Frankly that was just a much more historically interesting time to live, writers could pluck a socially relevant stroy from the air and wrap it up in a nifty action drama. Most were directly or indirectly affected by WWII so they understood evil , the need to fight and the horrors of war and sacrifice. Writers today didn't live through that.
We ain't getting brilliant thought provoking sci fi from Orci and Kurtzman, They are the kings of dumb popcorn bigscreen fun. I accept that and maybe that's what let me enjoy the first film so much. I think because of that Khan would likely translate (based on their abilities) to the most interesting big screen Trek adaption they are capable of delivering. Cumberbatch will create chicken slad out of chicken shit whith their hackey writing, have faith
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Well, wasn't the term "Augment" not coined until "Enterprise"? Someone has used the term in his Memory Beta listing:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Stavos_Keniclius based on a "Strange New Worlds" short story, "The Rules of War".
But I recall his Eugenics Wars link was mentioned (in the old "ST Concordance"?), and probably elaborated upon a little by Alan Dean Foster in his adaptation of "The Infinite Vulcan" for "Star Trek Log Two". His experiments are definitely augmenting himself. His fifth clone is a giant!
And as I said, the character experimented using Spock as a test subject and nearly costing him his life. So no, Keniclius was not a good person, nor was he benevolent in working for the greater good of the federation since he wanted his Spock clones to be a "peace keeping force."
Cabbagepatch no es Khan.
Surely a "peace keeping force" suggests that his (perhaps misguided) aim was peace in the galaxy.
^ In the same way that Darth Vader wanted to restore order to the galaxy?
A peace keeping force made up of Vulcans with super human strength, twice the intelligence, agility, all the traits of an Augment and add the ability to control minds and extract information, no matter how harmful it might be. I don't think Keniclius was misguided.
Here is what the writers had to say about "remaking" a TOS story:
IF Khan IS in the movie (and that's a BIG IF), we will NOT be seeing a remake/rehash of Space Seed or TWOK. . . like someone said earlier, the Botany Bay could be blown up in the pre-credit sequence, and that would be that. . .rampant fan speculation aside, these guys want to make their own mark on Star Trek. . . personally, I'm betting that if Khan does show up in the New universe, it will be in the Ongoing Comics. . . but that's just me. . .
~FS
http://trekmovie.com/2011/06/11/sta...date-promise-no-remake-talk-vulcan-arcs-more/
IF Khan IS in the movie (and that's a BIG IF), we will NOT be seeing a remake/rehash of Space Seed or TWOK. . . like someone said earlier, the Botany Bay could be blown up in the pre-credit sequence, and that would be that. . .rampant fan speculation aside, these guys want to make their own mark on Star Trek. . . personally, I'm betting that if Khan does show up in the New universe, it will be in the Ongoing Comics. . . but that's just me. . .
~FS
^I like this bit:
The movie would center around the discovery and revival of the Botany Bay crew.
This is a new timeline...the possibilities are endless! It hasn't even been confirmed what villian Cumberbatch will be portraying...has it?
I am VERY gratified to hear that quote from Lindelof.
Yeah, don't get ahead of yourself and give slash writers reason to salivate and wet their pants. That was Pasquale's interpretation of what Lindelof said.
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