But then people would be lost. The plot and premis of the show is concluded and done. No momentum. You'd end up with a coldstart artifical adend bolted onto what we know, something like the post Gilligan's Island Movies where they open a resort on the Island and have "Love Boat" like adventures with numerous gueststars.
Which is why they make parallel movies like BSG The Plan, or Babylon 5 Third Space or the Clone Wars Movie, and even prequels the Caprica or Enterprise so that the story is heading towards a climax, just from a different perspective that the drama they sold the show with is still doable even though and game has been ended.
Gods.
And then there's reimaginings.
but in all honestly they should have had any movie set between Scorpion and the Gift even those two episodes seem unvoyagerishly continuous, so that we could have both of the blondes so people can play play space-Maryanne and space-Ginger.
Which is why they make parallel movies like BSG The Plan, or Babylon 5 Third Space or the Clone Wars Movie, and even prequels the Caprica or Enterprise so that the story is heading towards a climax, just from a different perspective that the drama they sold the show with is still doable even though and game has been ended.
Gods.
And then there's reimaginings.
but in all honestly they should have had any movie set between Scorpion and the Gift even those two episodes seem unvoyagerishly continuous, so that we could have both of the blondes so people can play play space-Maryanne and space-Ginger.
Hmmmm, wasn't this a TNG episode? Except Picard wasn't the cook, he was the barber.
;-)
Uhhh, I'm sorry. I LOVE BSG, but I just couldn't learn to love "The Plan".
I did love, "Wrath of Khan", which was an artifical "lets get together and have an Academy training voyage on the Enterprise for old times sake with the kiddies." I really liked "Search for Spock", despite the artificiality of having the entire ship (much larger than Voyager) being run by 5 guys and I laugh everytime (in a good way) I watch "The Voyager Home", because it's about "our guys". Who doesn't love seeing our fav characters in a fish out of water scenario? Er, or in the case of Spock, a vulcan IN the water scenario?
Paraphrased.
Spock: "Excuse me Doctor, I'm receiving several distress calls." McCoy: "I don't doubt it."
I don't think we need to reimagine Voyager... I do think we need to do as TOS did... allow them to move on, and let ourselves "catch up".
"Spock, do you believe the good of the many outweigh the good of the one?"
"I accept that as an axiom."
"Then you are here because of a mistake, Spock. One made by your feeling friends."
Those types of stories can be told in any series, TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. But the DS9 producers put themselves into a hole when they elevated Sisko to Prophethood and placed him in the wormhole, and then Paramount compounded their errors when they let freaking S&S's Pocketbooks do to Janeway what the BORG Queen could never do.
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
It would be awesome to see a Voyager movie be made. I don't think it is too late to make a movie. The Original Series had been off the air for 10 years prior to the making Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
There are so many interesting possibilities that they could use for a plot. I think that a plot with Species 8472 would be the best choice. They could write a plot that would tie into the storyline for Star Trek: Online since the main plot in game deals with the ongoing Species 8472/Undine threat.
There are so many interesting possibilities that they could use for a plot. I think that a plot with Species 8472 would be the best choice. They could write a plot that would tie into the storyline for Star Trek: Online since the main plot in game deals with the ongoing Species 8472/Undine threat.
TOS built up a huge following in that ten years, by being syndicated in early evening prime time five nights per week.
By comparison, "Voyager" aired on a small, fledgling, struggling network, with a diminishing audience over its seven years. Less viewers than syndicated TOS, less viewers than first-run TNG and less viewers than DS9.
It was always too late to make a VOY feature film.
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
Oh such a failure
ROFLMAO!Those numbers look pretty compelling to me as to why Voyager was by any standards anything but failure.
TOS was considered a failure when it was cancelled in 1969. However we now know that it was actually very successful. They changed the ratings system the year after it was cancelled (under the changed rating system it was actually a success).
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Oh such a failure
Those numbers look pretty compelling to me as to why Voyager was by any standards anything but failure.
TOS was considered a failure when it was cancelled in 1969. However we now know that it was actually very successful. They changed the ratings system the year after it was cancelled (under the changed rating system it was actually a success).
Very true when it comes to TOS. Luckily also due to syndication, it became an underground cult classic that then turned to the sci-fi icon and standard.
Voyager may not be the overall Trek fan-favorite, but by the numbers, TNG is the only Trek to beat it in viewership, so it had the general audience at least. When it comes to movies, the general audience is the target and the fans always take the backseat to that. The movie big wig's goal is always to market it to the general audience to fill in as many as those theater seats as possible. Another thing Voyager would have more going for it now is a female lead and three strong female characters- something more acceptable now than it was back during it's run. As a Voyager fan, I'd even settle for a direct to DVD or filmed for television movie. Hey, Voyager did many Trek firsts and broke a few barriers and rules, so what's a few more?
In all likelihood though, a Voyager movie as much as I and many fans would want it is not likely, but marketable and plausible if done correctly and within the next 5 years.
I like all Trek and though DS9 is probably at the bottom of my list, I would definitely support a movie for it, not just for my love of all Trek (and support of any supports the overall franchise), but also to support my friends and fellow fans who love DS9. Anything to keep the franchise alive!
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
I would accept a direct to DVD, or TV movie of Voyager.
Very true when it comes to TOS. Luckily also due to syndication, it became an underground cult classic that then turned to the sci-fi icon and standard.
Voyager may not be the overall Trek fan-favorite, but by the numbers, TNG is the only Trek to beat it in viewership, so it had the general audience at least. When it comes to movies, the general audience is the target and the fans always take the backseat to that. The movie big wig's goal is always to market it to the general audience to fill in as many as those theater seats as possible. Another thing Voyager would have more going for it now is a female lead and three strong female characters- something more acceptable now than it was back during it's run. As a Voyager fan, I'd even settle for a direct to DVD or filmed for television movie. Hey, Voyager did many Trek firsts and broke a few barriers and rules, so what's a few more?
In all likelihood though, a Voyager movie as much as I and many fans would want it is not likely, but marketable and plausible if done correctly and within the next 5 years.
I like all Trek and though DS9 is probably at the bottom of my list, I would definitely support a movie for it, not just for my love of all Trek (and support of any supports the overall franchise), but also to support my friends and fellow fans who love DS9. Anything to keep the franchise alive!
Voyager seems to be the most snubbed series out of all of the series with possibly the exception of Enterprise & The Animated Series. I would take Voyager over TNG any day. To me TNG was always Star Trek TOS lite, and DS9 was Star Trek in name only. Also I would take Enterprise over TNG, and DS9 also (yep, I went there!)
. TNG was a snoozefest where they just ferried diplomats across the galaxy, sat about being touch-feely, and frolicking around on the holodeck. DS9 was someone version of a bad joke since they had no ship, and just sat on a space station. That worked out so well for the series that by season 3 they added the Defiant to help out the serious flagging DS9 series. DS9 was so awful it was the first & only Star Trek series that hired a actor from a previous series (Michael Dorn) to reprise their character role (Worf) as permanent cast member addition.Voyager was the series that got Star Trek back to its roots of exploring strange new world, to seeking out new life and new civilizations and boldly going where no one had gone before.
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A "Voyager Reunion" TV movie would be fun, where they fly the slipstream-powered Voyager II back to the DQ to resucue Neelix from the Hirogen, or whatever, but don't hold your breath!
FWIW, Brent Spiner's idea for a Nemesis sequel, which he described as a "Justice League of Trek", would have involved some Voyager characters.
FWIW, Brent Spiner's idea for a Nemesis sequel, which he described as a "Justice League of Trek", would have involved some Voyager characters.
Um, yes, but its market share was only 5.5% of households tuned in to watch that final episode, while TNG's share had been 20%. Some parts of the USA couldn't even receive UPN to watch VOY, even if they'd wanted to. DS9's final ep. had 4.5% of households watching, and ENT on UPN just 3.8%. TNG, which did get movies on the big screen, had more people watching TV at the end than DS9, VOY and ENT combined!
Which is precisely why I said: "TOS built up a huge following in that ten years, by being syndicated in early evening prime time five nights per week."
Because it was avidly watched by the right demographics, including university students about to have big disposable incomes, and young couples with children who grew up watching ST reruns with their parents. If advertisers know who to target, they are very content.
You are mistaken here. TNG and DS9 only ever ran in original syndication. They weren't network shows. In TNG's original run, it held the record for the most successful hour-long drama for six of its seven years, IIRC. It was the second most popular original-syndication show, behind only "Wheel of Fortune". In some areas, a local network would lobby to be allowed to carry TNG because it rated so well in syndication.
By comparison, "Voyager" aired on a small, fledgling, struggling network, with a diminishing audience over its seven years. Sure, a lot of people were curious to see how VOY made it home, and popped in for a final gawk. But it was many less people than those who'd seen Picard sit down at that poker table for "All Good Things..."
I would accept a direct to DVD, or TV movie of Voyager.
Very true when it comes to TOS. Luckily also due to syndication, it became an underground cult classic that then turned to the sci-fi icon and standard.
Voyager may not be the overall Trek fan-favorite, but by the numbers, TNG is the only Trek to beat it in viewership, so it had the general audience at least. When it comes to movies, the general audience is the target and the fans always take the backseat to that. The movie big wig's goal is always to market it to the general audience to fill in as many as those theater seats as possible. Another thing Voyager would have more going for it now is a female lead and three strong female characters- something more acceptable now than it was back during it's run. As a Voyager fan, I'd even settle for a direct to DVD or filmed for television movie. Hey, Voyager did many Trek firsts and broke a few barriers and rules, so what's a few more?
In all likelihood though, a Voyager movie as much as I and many fans would want it is not likely, but marketable and plausible if done correctly and within the next 5 years.
I like all Trek and though DS9 is probably at the bottom of my list, I would definitely support a movie for it, not just for my love of all Trek (and support of any supports the overall franchise), but also to support my friends and fellow fans who love DS9. Anything to keep the franchise alive!
Voyager seems to be the most snubbed series out of all of the series with possibly the exception of Enterprise & The Animated Series. I would take Voyager over TNG any day. To me TNG was always Star Trek TOS lite, and DS9 was Star Trek in name only. Also I would take Enterprise over TNG, and DS9 also (yep, I went there!)
Voyager was the series that got Star Trek back to its roots of exploring strange new world, to seeking out new life and new civilizations and boldly going where no one had gone before.
Boldy going back to Earth. Is hardly boldy going where no one had gone before.
Each and everyone of us has likes and dislkes, which is fair enough.
VOY gets blasted so much because of inconsitsant characterisation, failure to live up to premise, the ship looking remarkable brand new each and every episode no matter how badly it got blasted the previous. Endless resources, what appeared to be a near limitless supply of shuttles (sure you can argue they build new ones they did at least twice with the Flyer, but that brings us back to the limited resources they where supposed to have). Underneath it all there was the potential for a great show and to be fair VOY did show moments of the show it could have been.
That isn't to say the other Trek shows didn't have problems.. If DSN was so bad as you say how come it usuallt tops fan polls of favourite show, was one of the most critically acclaimed of all Trek shows.
So they added Worf to DSN, didn't they add a character to VOY as well, Seven. Let's not forget they had Barclay and Troi as re-curring characters in later season.
Because fans of Star Trek are abnormal.
They are a niche cult numbing a 100th of one percent of the world population that has access to a TV.
Now after you've rounded that tiny number ( one 6th of a million?) into a ghetto, you start drawing lines, factioning the different ethoses, but saying that two thirds of that slither of the population likes DS9 better than Voyager, how exactly do those demographics help marketeers sell SUVs and long distance phone plans?
The rest of the world who hates Star Trek is normal, and we are not.
(We don't count Germany., It throws off the curve right out of whack.)
Selling shit to people who hate Star trek, unifying a mindset in loathing of Star Trek is easier and more profitable, because that mmmmmmmmmmassive swell of warm bodies is almost 6 billion strong.
If you wanted to sell "anything" then why the frakk would you alienate 6 billion credit card applicantees?
They are a niche cult numbing a 100th of one percent of the world population that has access to a TV.
Now after you've rounded that tiny number ( one 6th of a million?) into a ghetto, you start drawing lines, factioning the different ethoses, but saying that two thirds of that slither of the population likes DS9 better than Voyager, how exactly do those demographics help marketeers sell SUVs and long distance phone plans?
The rest of the world who hates Star Trek is normal, and we are not.
(We don't count Germany., It throws off the curve right out of whack.)
Selling shit to people who hate Star trek, unifying a mindset in loathing of Star Trek is easier and more profitable, because that mmmmmmmmmmassive swell of warm bodies is almost 6 billion strong.
If you wanted to sell "anything" then why the frakk would you alienate 6 billion credit card applicantees?
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
As I have previously said in regards to that ridiculous notion:
We saw several episodes of Voyager being low on resources (low power, low food supplies). They bartered for parts & supplies as we saw, and when possible made repairs with the help friendly species that they encountered.
I never said that character haven't been replaced with new characters (that is totally different topic). Tori, Barclay, and Riker weren't permanent cast member additions to the crew rosster, and didn't have credits as being part of the cast of Voyager. Guest stars are normal for any television series, and it is a long standing tradition to have Trek guest characters grace the other series with a guest appearance. Michael Dorn had credits added the show & was made a permanent cast member addition to DS9, and Worf was added to the crew roster of DS9.
As for Seven of Nine the choice to do that was a brilliant move on the part of the producers. We know more about the Borg now because the addition of her character to Voyager, and Seven of Nine is one of the most memorable characters since the days of Spock. I said they were the first & only series to do this:
Adding, or replacing a cast member with one from a previous series is & remains a DS9 exclusive.
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I would hardly call Seven as memorable a character as Spock, or even Kirk, McCoy and Scott. I suspect any memorability she might have is more down to the casting the fairly attractive Jeri Ryan rather than the Character of Seven.
As for the supply issue. It has been fairly clearly stated several times in Star Trek that the Federation used certain materials to build it's ship that even similar advanced Klingons/Romulans/Cardassian etc.. didn't use. Judging from VOY the further away from the Federation the less advanced the races where in comparrison to the Federation. The ship took heavy battle damage in numerous episodes yet would appear like it had just left space dock the next episode. I could by it being repaired in friendly spacedocks maybe once or twice a season but almost between episodes. (Ok maybe I eggetrate a bit)
Take the holodeck for example what idiot would design it with a power supply that is incompatable with the rest of the ship? They only said that because they knew the fans would jump on them for using the holodeck when they where low on resources.
The simply fact is that the writers threw away the premise fairly early on and proceeded to make a copy of TNG. They made no real effort to use it's premise, yes they mentioned being scarce on resources a few times more to serve the need of episode rather than anything else. You drop a line in about we'll be running low on X shortly if we don't resupply in an episode before you have an episode about dealing with it. Otherwise it could come across as poor inventory keeping. VOY could have done so much more with it's premise than it actually did.
As for the Borg itself, sometimes less is actually more. If you know litte about them they can be more menacing because of it.
As for the supply issue. It has been fairly clearly stated several times in Star Trek that the Federation used certain materials to build it's ship that even similar advanced Klingons/Romulans/Cardassian etc.. didn't use. Judging from VOY the further away from the Federation the less advanced the races where in comparrison to the Federation. The ship took heavy battle damage in numerous episodes yet would appear like it had just left space dock the next episode. I could by it being repaired in friendly spacedocks maybe once or twice a season but almost between episodes. (Ok maybe I eggetrate a bit)
Take the holodeck for example what idiot would design it with a power supply that is incompatable with the rest of the ship? They only said that because they knew the fans would jump on them for using the holodeck when they where low on resources.
The simply fact is that the writers threw away the premise fairly early on and proceeded to make a copy of TNG. They made no real effort to use it's premise, yes they mentioned being scarce on resources a few times more to serve the need of episode rather than anything else. You drop a line in about we'll be running low on X shortly if we don't resupply in an episode before you have an episode about dealing with it. Otherwise it could come across as poor inventory keeping. VOY could have done so much more with it's premise than it actually did.
As for the Borg itself, sometimes less is actually more. If you know litte about them they can be more menacing because of it.
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
I disagree about Jeri Ryan just being a pretty face. I found her to be quite talented. Take the episode Infinite Regress. Jeri Ryan has to change between playing multiple characters on the fly. That take talent, and her acting was superb in that episode. The producer hired because she was both talented & beautiful.
As for the supply materials the crew was often seen getting raw materials. These raw material were then refined for use with Federation technology.
The best character on VOY was the EMH, he recieved about the most consistant characterisation. I also never said Jeri Ryan was untalanted, I just said she wasn't as memorable as Spock. Though time may prove me wrong.
Take the Character of Spock, Characters in other shows get referred to as Spock. Either because of their intelligence or lack of emotions. Another Scotty, the phrase "Beam Me up Scotty" more often or not means I find that hard to believe. I've heard lines along "Who do you think I am Scotty?" in shows meaning do you think I'm a miracle worker.
When you hear those names used you think of the ST Character, I doubt your every day person on the street would know who Seven of Nine was. Same goes for most of the characters on DSN and ENT and to a certain extent TNG.
Take the Character of Spock, Characters in other shows get referred to as Spock. Either because of their intelligence or lack of emotions. Another Scotty, the phrase "Beam Me up Scotty" more often or not means I find that hard to believe. I've heard lines along "Who do you think I am Scotty?" in shows meaning do you think I'm a miracle worker.
When you hear those names used you think of the ST Character, I doubt your every day person on the street would know who Seven of Nine was. Same goes for most of the characters on DSN and ENT and to a certain extent TNG.
Did you find that particularly impressive then?
Anyone else could have done that, it was hardly Oscar-worthy acting.
Ah yes, the "Rescue from Gilligan's Island" premise, where - after being stranded together for decades, the hapless crew finally get home and, on their first anniversary of rescue, put on the same clothes they wore on the island, have another "three hour cruise" - and get lost together again.
I doubt whether any of Janeway's crew would be interested in staying aboard that ship. They would pprobably all split up and go their separate ways. Show's over.
Rather ironic that the current VOY novels have done something quite similar, returning to the Delta Quadrant, albeit without Janeway and Tuvok.
Ummm...why exactly would Paramount/CBS invest money in making a movie based on a Trek series that even most Trek fans don't like? Voyager is usually rated near the bottom of the list in terms of fan interest. It usually only narrowly beats out Enterprise. Hell, I'd advocate an Enterprise movie before a Voyager film since it, at least has the promise of doing the Earth/Romulan War as an epic story. What exactly does Voyager have going for it that would justify making a film? What's the audience for a Voyager film?
Now a film version of Before Dishonor might do very well as there is a sizable portion of the fan base that would pay good money to see Janeway bite the big one
Now a film version of Before Dishonor might do very well as there is a sizable portion of the fan base that would pay good money to see Janeway bite the big one
Tidus79001
Lieutenant Commander
I totally agree the Doctor was a iconic character. Hands down he is the best Doctor since Leonard "Bones" McCoy. Also he was a cheap rip off of McCoy, and always set himself apart as his own character instead of one trying to emulate a previous Star Trek character. Pulaski & Data = cheap McCoy & Spock rip off (easy to see why the fans were totally & completely alienated by that egregious, and obvious attempt at manipulation of their fondness of the McCoy & Spock relationship).
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