Planet of the Apes (1968 original) question
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I specifically mentioned a cup and a turkey baster and the baby "center" could be a shack right next to the village church, that's not exactly sophisticated technology.
The parents would be paired up by the government, homosexuality wouldn't deprive the group of anything, because it doesn't factor into the procreation process at all.
Arguably there would be more genetic variance if every child has a specifically chosen set of parents, otherwise there's a chance a lot of children will suspiciously look like the hottest guy in town, if all women are forced to choose someone else than their husband for baby #2.
Monogamy bad.
Remember Up the Long Ladder?
Picard arranged thousands of lopsided marriages, that every Space Irish Person got three clones to frack senseless... Which in a sense that they forgot to mention was that Picard also must have anulled all existing marriages which the Space Irish lot thought that they were bound to, to death or God wil hurt them.
Seriously, there would have been homosexuals and hetrosexuals alike who would have been mega pissed by the thought of being separated form their wives and husbands just to assure the genetic diversity of their colony.
That'd be a Romeo-&-Juliet-Apocalypse.
Remember Up the Long Ladder?
Picard arranged thousands of lopsided marriages, that every Space Irish Person got three clones to frack senseless... Which in a sense that they forgot to mention was that Picard also must have anulled all existing marriages which the Space Irish lot thought that they were bound to, to death or God wil hurt them.
Seriously, there would have been homosexuals and hetrosexuals alike who would have been mega pissed by the thought of being separated form their wives and husbands just to assure the genetic diversity of their colony.
That'd be a Romeo-&-Juliet-Apocalypse.
I just can't get enough of how much of a obnoxious dick Taylor is to his crewmates at the beginning of the movie. He shrugs off the death of the girl, keeps telling everyone their family is dead, and mocks everyone's reason for being there.
What an awesome commander to have leading a mission. Lol
What an awesome commander to have leading a mission. Lol
Wasn't it a fluke that the ship made it back in time to the present day? AFAIK it was 'riding' the shock wave caused by the destruction of Earth.
And I also thought that the reason the first two ships travelled into the future was because of time dilation.
Weren't the original series of POTA films intended to establish a closed time loop? Similiar to the original Terminator film?
Well, that how they ended up, sorta, but it would be a mistake to assume that there was some sort of master plan. They were just making them up as they went along.
And the final movie, Battle, ends on ambiguous note, leaving open the question of whether the future had been changed or not . . ..
"Lawgiver, who knows the future?"
Not exactly. Each film (except, ironically, the final one of the original 5-film series) was intended to be the end of the story, and when the box office warranted sequels, each successive film had to contradict the intent of the previous film to some extent in order to allow a sequel to exist at all. But films 3 & 4 went with the idea of a closed-loop history, in that Cornelius & Zira returning to the past (and giving birth to Caesar) was what triggered the events that led to the fall of humanity and the rise of ape civilization. Film 5 is more ambiguous, suggesting that the future that grows out of its events may be different and more positive than what we saw in the original two films.
A pretty good scene for such things, actually. When the little girl's pigtail gets pulled it makes you wonder...
I believe the creators intended for the crying statue to indicate that the dead Caesar did know the future, and that it was unavoidable. (Hey, does that make him Great Caesar's Ghost?)
However, I choose not to accept this interpretation, simply because the timeline had already been changed in so many other ways. I prefer "different and more positive", as Christopher says.
However, I choose not to accept this interpretation, simply because the timeline had already been changed in so many other ways. I prefer "different and more positive", as Christopher says.
Such as?
^Probably a reference to how each movie rewrote the continuity. For instance, I think movie #3, where Cornelius and Zira explain the history of their world, describes the rise of intelligent apes as a somewhat gradual process, while movie #4 shows it happening within a generation after movie #3. I see that just as one movie retconning stuff from the previous movie, but you could interpret it as a change in the timeline, I guess -- that by coming back in time, C & Z have "changed" things so that the ape civilization rises sooner.
Yes, that's what I meant. Among other changes.
Another example: In Escape, Cornelius claims that the ape revolution was led by a gorilla named Aldo, which, of course, was the name of Caesar's nemesis in Battle, suggesting that Aldo kicked things off in the original timeline, before Zira and Cornelius started time-traveling.
But then, the very fact that Cornelius knows about the ape revolution contradicts the first movie, in which the fact that humans once ruled the Earth was a deep dark secret known only to Dr. Zaius . . . . .
But then, the very fact that Cornelius knows about the ape revolution contradicts the first movie, in which the fact that humans once ruled the Earth was a deep dark secret known only to Dr. Zaius . . . . .
I say the TV series is post Battle because the humans depicted speak, wear clothes, and perform the function of a slave class. The humans in Planet are just animals serving no function in ape society other that as lab rats, sport animals, and pests. Also, while Dr. Zaius (or a verison of him) is present, the series takes place on the west coast, while the film was obviously set in New York. Galen is mentioned in the film, but not seen; Yet, a version of Galen is the Roddy McDowell character in the TV series with no mention being made of Cornelius and Zira. I think its own timeline the TV series supplants the events of the first two films.
^^ Could be. Or it could just be set earlier in the timeline.
Yes, and the Ferengi.
Could be. It's been a long time since I've seen them. On the other hand, the guys from the series felt that they could get back home.
I place Battle in the post Escape timeline as well. I mention Escape because that is where the timelines seem to diverge.
