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What was your first reaction to the Spock/Uhura romance?

I don't know any women from the 23rd century who are cadets at a space academy. However, letting the other cadets finish the job instead of standing up for herself doesn't look right to me. Just because she's a woman she shouldn't be able to punch a man in the face when he deserves it?
Uhura was standing up for herself just fine, and in the manner she chose. Had Cupcake not rendered the issue moot by insisting upon butting in and trying to teach "farmboy" a lesson, I have little doubt that Uhura would have continued to hold her own. She didn't let anyone finish the job for her - it was taken out of her hands by a group of thugs in Cadet uniforms (with perhaps a little provocation on Kirk's part.)

I know two women who were in similar, not identical, situations to hers and they both punched the drunk in the face.
Well, that does say something, but I don't know what it's got to do with this movie.


To be fair, I did ask how many women he knew would be in the middle of a bar fight throwing punches.

But you do bring up a good point. Uhura is a linguist, her weapons of choice will in all likelihood be words, not fists. . . she held her own in all of the arguments she was in. . .she talked to Kirk in a way he understood 'And here I thought you only had sex with farm animals,' and she out logic-ed Spock to be placed on the Enterprise. . . obviously she is a Star Fleet graduate,obviously she took the prerequisite classes to graduate, and she was obviously at the top of her class, so she must have done relatively well in those combat classes. . .but if Uhura is on an away team physically fighting, then you've done something *wrong*. . .


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Yeah, we saw Pike call the local cops instead of just sending everyone back to barracks. Where do you get the idea that anyone was charged with anything? Pike wasn't there when it started. I doubt the cadets are going to rat each other out (remeber the scene in Tribbles?).

You've never heard of MPs? You know, military police? They were in a bar. . .Pike spoke to the bartender, and I'm sure there were cameras. . .the cadets don't have to rat anyone out. . . the evidence is there. . .A cadet, in UNIFORM, supposedly representing Star Fleet assaulting a Federation civilian, with camera evidence. . . you think they only got sent back to the barracks? Again, why do you think Cupcake was mad at Kirk 3 years later? Most likely because this went on his record.



~FS
 
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And yet Cupcake was assigned to the same top of the line ship that Uhura and Kirk were. Looks like Cupcake did OK no matter what. I think he was more pissed at Kirk's use of Cupcake again.

Now that Kirk is Captain and Cupcake wears a red shirt I don't think they'll have much time to patch things up anyway.

Why wouldn't a communication office have combat training? if you enlist in the navy today do you think that they won't teach your any combat skills just because you're going to be the radio operator?
 
I know two women who were in similar, not identical, situations to hers and they both punched the drunk in the face.
Well, that does say something, but I don't know what it's got to do with this movie.


To be fair, I did ask how many women he knew would be in the middle of a bar fight throwing punches.
So you did. :techman:

I do think, though, that we've both now made the point that punching someone out was not the only option available to Uhura in that situation. She may well have been capable of clocking Kirk, should it have proved necessary, but when she was already acquitting herself satisfactorily by engaging in a bit of sly verbal fencing, there was simply no need for violence.
 
And yet Cupcake was assigned to the same top of the line ship that Uhura and Kirk were. Looks like Cupcake did OK no matter what. I think he was more pissed at Kirk's use of Cupcake again.

Now that Kirk is Captain and Cupcake wears a red shirt I don't think they'll have much time to patch things up anyway.

Why wouldn't a communication office have combat training? if you enlist in the navy today do you think that they won't teach your any combat skills just because you're going to be the radio operator?

We don't know what Cupcake's punishment was. . . he could have been busted down a rank. . .Ensign Cupcake vs. Lieutenant Cupcake upon graduation. . . extra anger management and substance abuse classes. . .whatever his punishment was, all that matters is that 3 years later, he's still mad at Kirk. . .

Please point out where i said the the communications officer doesn't need combat training. . . go through the thread and find it for me. . .I don't think you'll be able to. But part of taking combat classes is knowing when to fight and when not to. . .and in Uhura's mind, a stupid bar fight obviously wasn't the time to apply her combat training. . .

~FS
 
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It is completely a stereotype that Iowans only have sex with farm animals.

They also vote for ridiculous presidential candidates.
 
It is completely a stereotype that Iowans only have sex with farm animals.

They also vote for ridiculous presidential candidates.
We started Obama on his road to the White House. America's first mulit-racial president. Hardly ridiculous.
 
I think fans should start reading the ongoing series....

Not if you're a fan of intelligent story telling.


the ongoing series are intelligent enough, while I may not be a fan of them telling us the stories that took place in the TOS universe again, the comics has been enjoyable compared to all the Marvel/DC crap I have been stuck with for years.
 
I thought the movie would have been better without it...that's just me (I really didn't buy it).
 
where can you read the comics online?

and is it true that they're foreshadowing the next movie?
I think there are going to be things here and there in the comics will be referenced in the next movie (personally, I think it will be more along the lines of Kirk developing a certain reputation since taking command of the Enterprise).
 
where can you read the comics online?

and is it true that they're foreshadowing the next movie?

I don't think you can read them online,I got this pic from a fanpage.
Please be sure, if you're posting it here as an inline image, that it's a copy hosted on your own image account (Photobucket.com, Imgur.com, etc.) If you link directly to Fanpop's pic as you did above, you're using their bandwidth. We'd really prefer you didn't do it that way - leeching someone else's bandwidth is considered bad form.
 
I am in the minority, but I did not care for Spock/Uhura relationship. In the early TOS episodes, the flirting was very one-sided... Uhura flirted, Spock did not respond. Spock Prime was a very principled man. I cannot envision him making out with anyone in front of others or having a relationship with a student under his tutelage. Were Spock to have a relationship, it would not be overtly sexual.

This Spock I refer to as EmoSpock. Frankly, it is the only part about the movie which I do not like. It is still my favorite ST movie.
 
I am in the minority, but I did not care for Spock/Uhura relationship. In the early TOS episodes, the flirting was very one-sided... Uhura flirted, Spock did not respond. Spock Prime was a very principled man. I cannot envision him making out with anyone in front of others or having a relationship with a student under his tutelage. Were Spock to have a relationship, it would not be overtly sexual.

This Spock I refer to as EmoSpock. Frankly, it is the only part about the movie which I do not like. It is still my favorite ST movie.


The principled Spock who seduced the Romulan commander in order to steal technology from her? The principled Spock who stole a starship (for the needs of the one -- his old captain, not the many), and planned to do it again to get to Vulcan during his Pon Farr. . . the principled Spock who obviously had a sexual affair with Leila Kalomi - leading her on before breaking her heart by not being able to tell her what he felt, and despite the fact that he was engaged? snerk. . .how you can see with those rose-tinted glasses is beyond me, but TOS Spock is not an eunuch, and wasn't meant to be one. . .why do you think Uhura is able to sing such a risque song about him in that episode, and he just grins and takes it. . .

By the way, in ST09, Uhura is clearly not his student anymore (she says "was I not". . . and according to her dossier on the movie website, she is the aide to two departments, and given that she graduates as a lieutenant, it means that she was probably a grad student at the Academy. . . they are two consenting adults, not teacher student. . .

~FS
 
The principled Spock who seduced the Romulan commander in order to steal technology from her? The principled Spock who stole a starship (for the needs of the one -- his old captain, not the many), and planned to do it again to get to Vulcan during his Pon Farr. . . the principled Spock who obviously had a sexual affair with Leila Kalomi - leading her on before breaking her heart by not being able to tell her what he felt, and despite the fact that he was engaged? snerk. . .how you can see with those rose-tinted glasses is beyond me, but TOS Spock is not an eunuch, and wasn't meant to be one. . .why do you think Uhura is able to sing such a risque song about him in that episode, and he just grins and takes it. . .

By the way, in ST09, Uhura is clearly not his student anymore (she says "was I not". . . and according to her dossier on the movie website, she is the aide to two departments, and given that she graduates as a lieutenant, it means that she was probably a grad student at the Academy. . . they are two consenting adults, not teacher student. . .

~FS

Re the Romulan commander, it would seem ridiculous to put her hurt feelings above the stability of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. Loyalty to a previous captain is not exactly unprincipled. Indeed some might suggest he was following a higher calling (at least a conflict of principles). Spock was unaware he had changed the ship's course while under the influence of Pon Farr, so not an issue. It seems to me you are making a lot of unwarranted assumptions about who did what in his "relationship" with Leila Kalomi. Also, re his engagement, I believe "This Side of Paradise" was produced before "Amok Time" so it would be unfair to blame Spock for what was likely an oversight by a writer (ie. "Morally" he wasn't engaged until the "Amok Time" episode ;)) . While not without fault perhaps, it seemed to me that generally, in questionable situations, Prime Spock's behaviour was not self-serving.

I also believe that any flirting by Uhura, if it wasn't just teasing, was not only one sided but intended to delineate Spock's character differences, not indicate potential future chemistry.

Further, I am not of the opinion their NuTrek relationship started on the Enterprise. Uhura's overly intimate consoling, combined with the conflict of interest business, suggests to me it began earlier. If so, we don't know when it started.
At best ambiguity seems to be cast as a secondary villain in STXI.

By the way, "What were they thinking?!" did, and still does, cover their relationship in my view. I suggest, as with other changes to Spock, it may detract from his character. Time will tell.
 
I actually liked it and thought it came off well. I do wonder what Spock Prime would say to NuSpock about it, though.
 
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