Why were the other characters so hostile to Christine Chapel?

[KeepOnTrekking]

I never saw the other characters as being hostile towards Chapel. McCoy teased her about the plomeek soup ("Amok Time"), disciplined her to follow orders during surgery ("Operation--Annihilate!"), but his short tempered "Released!" in "The naked Time" was aimed at Sulu being held down by an orderly...Chapel was just standing in the background holding up the wall and staring dreamily at the world.

In "A Private Little War" Scotty grabs her when she's slapping Spock but that was just Scotty being shocked at walking into such an unusual Vulcan medical procedure.

I think TAS was the worst at showing Chapel's best side. She allowed Mudd to escape in "Mudd's Passion" and fell into the aquarium in "Terratin Incident."

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Why would an "outsider" be here? And why should Gene's negative traits be swept under the rug?

Who's to say that Roddenberry's lusty passions are necessarily negative. After all, they probably had to do with why there were all those cuties in short skirts on the show, right?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why would an "outsider" be here? And why should Gene's negative traits be swept under the rug?

Who's to say that Roddenberry's lusty passions are necessarily negative. After all, they probably had to do with why there were all those cuties in short skirts on the show, right?

Well, there is the whole married at the time thing.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Why would an "outsider" be here? And why should Gene's negative traits be swept under the rug?

Who's to say that Roddenberry's lusty passions are necessarily negative. After all, they probably had to do with why there were all those cuties in short skirts on the show, right?

Well, there is the whole married at the time thing.

Sure, but that is really none of our business and is/was between the Roddenberries.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Who's to say that Roddenberry's lusty passions are necessarily negative. After all, they probably had to do with why there were all those cuties in short skirts on the show, right?

Well, there is the whole married at the time thing.

Sure, but that is really none of our business and is/was between the Roddenberries.

Mrs. Roddenberry wasn't too happy with it. I doubt his kids were either.

I think its fair game to comment on.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Well, there is the whole married at the time thing.

Sure, but that is really none of our business and is/was between the Roddenberries.

Mrs. Roddenberry wasn't too happy with it. I doubt his kids were either.

I think its fair game to comment on.

Sure, fair game to comment on, but I really don't think we are in a position to judge (not knowing all of the facts, etc...).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sure, but that is really none of our business and is/was between the Roddenberries.

Mrs. Roddenberry wasn't too happy with it. I doubt his kids were either.

I think its fair game to comment on.

Sure, fair game to comment on, but I really don't think we are in a position to judge (not knowing all of the facts, etc...).

Such as what? We know he was a horndog. Trying to bed any woman who walked into the casting office. Mrs Roddenberry did not like it. And when the shoe was on the other foot, the second Mrs. Roddenberry didn't like it either. Seems disrespectful to treat your wives in such a manner. That doesn't take a PhD to figure out.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Mrs. Roddenberry wasn't too happy with it. I doubt his kids were either.

I think its fair game to comment on.

Sure, fair game to comment on, but I really don't think we are in a position to judge (not knowing all of the facts, etc...).

Such as what? We know he was a horndog. Trying to bed any woman who walked into the casting office. Mrs Roddenberry did not like it. And when the shoe was on the other foot, the second Mrs. Roddenberry didn't like it either. Seems disrespectful to treat your wives in such a manner. That doesn't take a PhD to figure out.

All I'm saying is that not all of the facts may have been made known to the fans (nor should they have as the fans do not have a right to know every detail of GR's personal life).

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sure, fair game to comment on, but I really don't think we are in a position to judge (not knowing all of the facts, etc...).

Such as what? We know he was a horndog. Trying to bed any woman who walked into the casting office. Mrs Roddenberry did not like it. And when the shoe was on the other foot, the second Mrs. Roddenberry didn't like it either. Seems disrespectful to treat your wives in such a manner. That doesn't take a PhD to figure out.

All I'm saying is that not all of the facts may have been made known to the fans (nor should they have as the fans do not have a right to know every detail of GR's personal life).

We gotta go with what we know. His first marriage wasn't a happy one due to his philandering. Not sure how to judge that other than "bad". What facts would make his cheating okay?

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Such as what? We know he was a horndog. Trying to bed any woman who walked into the casting office. Mrs Roddenberry did not like it. And when the shoe was on the other foot, the second Mrs. Roddenberry didn't like it either. Seems disrespectful to treat your wives in such a manner. That doesn't take a PhD to figure out.

All I'm saying is that not all of the facts may have been made known to the fans (nor should they have as the fans do not have a right to know every detail of GR's personal life).

We gotta go with what we know. His first marriage wasn't a happy one due to his philandering. Not sure how to judge that other than "bad". What facts would make his cheating okay?

My intention here is not to justify his cheating, only to suggest that there may have been other factors in play that contributed to his unfaithfulness and that these other factors may not be public knowledge.

 

[BillJ]

Such as what? We know he was a horndog. Trying to bed any woman who walked into the casting office. Mrs Roddenberry did not like it. And when the shoe was on the other foot, the second Mrs. Roddenberry didn't like it either. Seems disrespectful to treat your wives in such a manner. That doesn't take a PhD to figure out.

All I'm saying is that not all of the facts may have been made known to the fans (nor should they have as the fans do not have a right to know every detail of GR's personal life).

We gotta go with what we know. His first marriage wasn't a happy one due to his philandering. Not sure how to judge that other than "bad". What facts would make his cheating okay?

Whether people like it or not, Roddenberry was a very dishonest figure. From cheating on his spouses, to stealing credit for others work and lying about certain things to increase his stature in fans eyes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

All I'm saying is that not all of the facts may have been made known to the fans (nor should they have as the fans do not have a right to know every detail of GR's personal life).

We gotta go with what we know. His first marriage wasn't a happy one due to his philandering. Not sure how to judge that other than "bad". What facts would make his cheating okay?

My intention here is not to justify his cheating, only to suggest that there may have been other factors in play that contributed to his unfaithfulness and that these other factors may not be public knowledge.

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

We gotta go with what we know. His first marriage wasn't a happy one due to his philandering. Not sure how to judge that other than "bad". What facts would make his cheating okay?

My intention here is not to justify his cheating, only to suggest that there may have been other factors in play that contributed to his unfaithfulness and that these other factors may not be public knowledge.

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

My intention here is not to justify his cheating, only to suggest that there may have been other factors in play that contributed to his unfaithfulness and that these other factors may not be public knowledge.

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

None are good enough reasons to cheat, though they are humorous.

 

[BillJ]

My intention here is not to justify his cheating, only to suggest that there may have been other factors in play that contributed to his unfaithfulness and that these other factors may not be public knowledge.

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

I really hope you were trying to be funny there...

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

None are good enough reasons to cheat, though they are humorous.

Alas, being humorous was indeed my intention. I respect your adherence to your moral convictions! Nonetheless, we should not cast any stones. Being around those babes on the set must have indeed been tempting. Unless, you've been there yourself, I think it is only fair to be fair.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

I think divorce might have been a better solution than serial cheating if he was unhappy in his marriage.

He was a horndog, I think that's well documented. Is there a reason you can think that justifies cheating on ones spouse?

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

I really hope you were trying to be funny there...

"Trying?" I thought I did an excellent job of being funny here!

 

[BillJ]

True, but I think divorce was still highly stigmatized unless you were a big-time movie star. Nonetheless, here is my list of Arguable Reasons for Cheating on Your Wife:

1. She has a headache all the time.
2. She has begun to take you and all you do for the family for granted.
3. She lets herself go.
4. She refuses even discussing new techniques, positions, and other variety in the boudoir.
5. She is not Nichelle Nichols.
6. She is not Majel Barrett.
7. She refuses to be painted in green and wear sexy outfits even though you beg.
8. When you ask for a hummer, she reacts like you are asking for a kidney.
9. Reverse Cowgirl, Missionary, and Doggie comprise the full extent of her "naughty" repertoire.
10. She refuses to make farm animal noises even when you ask her nicely.

How's that?

None are good enough reasons to cheat, though they are humorous.

Alas, being humorous was indeed my intention. I respect your adherence to your moral convictions! Nonetheless, we should not cast any stones. Being around those babes on the set must have indeed been tempting. Unless, you've been there yourself, I think it is only fair to be fair.

No matter where you work, go to school or worship, there are always going to be attractive women in the vicinity.

While you're right that we shouldn't cast any stones, we also shouldn't overestimate Roddenberrys contributions to society.

Roddenberrys legacy should reflect both his professional successes and his personal/professional failings.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

None are good enough reasons to cheat, though they are humorous.

Alas, being humorous was indeed my intention. I respect your adherence to your moral convictions! Nonetheless, we should not cast any stones. Being around those babes on the set must have indeed been tempting. Unless, you've been there yourself, I think it is only fair to be fair.

No matter where you work, go to school or worship, there are always going to be attractive women in the vicinity.

While you're right that we shouldn't cast any stones, we also shouldn't overestimate Roddenberrys contributions to society.

Roddenberrys legacy should reflect both his professional successes and his personal/professional failings.

True about temptation being all around us. But I disagree that GR's legacy to Trek should take into account his personal life. I have always believed that we should separate our appraisal of the artist from the artist's work lest our personal opinions should hinder our enjoyment of their work. Not to mention the fact that it is really none of our damned business IMWPO.

For example, would your appreciation of Jack Kerouac's writing (assuming that you find him to be a good author to begin with) be altered by the fact that he was a horrible anti-Semite (despite being good friends with Ginsberg)?

If you really like Freddie Mercury of Queen, that is, their music, would you cease to like it knowing that he was a homosexual (if you personally disagreed with the morality of homosexuality).

Does Amy Winehouse's music sound any better or worse because she was an incurable alcoholic?

Some of your favorite actors, writers, musicians, and painters may have lived according to a moral code which does not coincide with your own. Do you deny yourself the pleasure of enjoying their work because of this?

GR may have been an awful husband, but unless you are his wife, it really shouldn't matter to you as a Trek fan. His only responsibility to us was to provide quality sci-fi which he obviously did quite well, otherwise none of us would be here talking about it.

PC disclaimer: I am not suggesting that BillJ or anyone else is homophobic, anti-Semitic, anti-alcohol, or anti-adultery (unless they wish to be characterized as such in which case it is for that person to proclaim so); I am merely voicing an opinion.

 

[BillJ]

I'm very clearly anti-adultery.

But I question anyone who claims to want to change the world when they clearly treat those closest to them like shit. Like I posted in another thread, my problem isn't with Roddenberry making mistakes, it's the fact that he continued to make those same mistakes over and over. Never actually striving to make himself better.

I see Star Trek as entertainment and nothing more.