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I want Khan.

No pink tutu's[sic] for Khan.

It will work, with appropriate accessorizing:

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People aren't confused, they just have a different opinion.

Saying that one doesn't want Khan as a villian is an opinion. Implying that reusing Khan automatically means remaking "The Wrath of Khan" or "Space Seed," and going after the writers for doing a remake for instance, is confusing reusing the character with reusing the story.

^ I can only speak for myself but I've been alive to the fact that any Khan who will appear in this movie (if he does) will be more like the one of Space Seed and not the one from TWOK. But I still don't really want to see him again. It's about personal preference, not confusion.

I wasn't implying you were the confused one. :techman:
 
Khan's only been used twice. The Klingons have been used so many times that they're pretty much competely explored. You could do a lot more with Khan than Klingons. There's more to play with Khan at this point. The toys in the Klingon box are dilapitated and almost useless.
 
Khan's only been used twice. The Klingons have been used so many times that they're pretty much competely explored. You could do a lot more with Khan than Klingons. There's more to play with Khan at this point. The toys in the Klingon box are dilapitated and almost useless.

Klingons haven't been used as much as say, Kirk and Spock, and they still work.

I think the idea here is that no matter how much something has or hasn't been done, anything still has potential here. Whether it's Khan or Klingons, I'll be fine either way.
 
After time I'm sure the people in doubt will warm up to the idea. Just some knee jerk reactions going on at the moment just like with the previous film. It'll be fine!
 
Fuck the Klingons. The Klingons can all die forever in the first thirty seconds of this movie and I'll gladly buy four extra tickets in celebration.

You must really love TMP.:rommie:

Either that or Kirk's animosity toward the Klingon Empire in The Undiscovered Country. :guffaw:


Seriously, though, it would be better for the writers if they ignored the Khan angle and went a different direction. Nero won't be back since he, his crew, and the Narada were obliterated by that black hole's gravitational field and a full spread of the Enterprise's photon torpedoes. So the chances of that character being ressurrected are very slim and none.

Granted Khan and his followers are still in cryogenic freeze on board the Botany Bay, after Nero altered the timeline immediately upon his arrival.

However, for the sake of the fan base, they should just create another villain or a destructive force from either outside or the other side of the Milky Way.
 
The fact is, we know Khan's history. .
Which could be completely different in this alternate timeline. This is not a remake.

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The timeline deviated when Nero passed thru the black hole and appeared near the Kelvin. Anything that happened before that (Khan being a megalomaniac in the Eugenics Wars) still is as it was.
Yup and anything that happens from now on will be completely different to what we saw in "Space Seed" so whatever comes next will be different. His past doesn't effect how things will turn out in this timeline. I'm pretty sure we will see Khan. Even the writers had suggested the idea of showing the Botany Bay at the end of the last movie. They've had this idea for a while.
 
That's entirely up to the writers. Khan doesn't exist. He's anything they decide he is.
Ok. He can be the gay character some are screaming for.

That's a complete non sequitur, sorry.
It's a change and aren't Khanist's looking for that.

I seem to remember in the episode Space Seed, Khan plotted to take over the ship, Kirk didn't make him do that. I also remember that he tried to have Kirk killed because he objected to the ship being taken over. I could be mistaken, though. Did Kirk make Khan attempt to murder him?

Khan was written as a genetically engineered human and the timeline change is not going to affect that, no matter what some Khanist's want. The augments are written as aggressive and morally bereft. Even the virus, when introduced to the Klingons, left the subjects high aggressive, morally bereft, more intelligent, stronger, as if the Federation needed to deal with Super Klingons. If they are in the next movie, human augments will be aggressive and morally bereft, stronger, more intelligent, and seeking domination. Even Soong realized that he could not change them in ST: ENT.

This would be the issue. Augments have been done three times in ST canon. Each time, they had the same traits.

I just realized, if they remake Khan, are they going to remake The Search for Some Poor Bastard, as a sequel to the next movie?
 
Khan's only been used twice. The Klingons have been used so many times that they're pretty much competely explored. You could do a lot more with Khan than Klingons. There's more to play with Khan at this point. The toys in the Klingon box are dilapitated and almost useless.
I don't know if I agree with that. In the expanded literary universe maybe, but not at all in canon. the klingon empire is a huge area, probably as big as the UFP and it consists of as much planets. yet the only races that we have seen on screen, being part of the empire are the klingons themselves. the klingons don't strike me as the manic genocidial types that wipe out everthing they conquer, so, by that logic, we haven't seen anything about those other races that have to be part of hat empire.
 
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