I may be missing something here.
Gay Marriage? Not in this Bakery!
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Indeed.
Iowa absolutely recognizes same-sex marriages. I know gay couples that are married in Iowa.
This aside, I'll play. I think I can call his bluff.
She shouldn't. However, in standing up for her beliefs, she should be willing to accept the consequences of this decision. i.e.: boycotts from those that disagree with her actions and the resulting loss of business.
Actually, there is plenty of scientific evidence that sexual orientation is determined through natural causes, such as genetics and hormones a fetus is exposed to in the womb, and no scientific evidence that it is a choice and nothing else. Morality and existentialism are infinitely debatable, so yeah, those aren't, and never will be, settled.
Also, all the scientific evidence I mentioned that is cited in the Wikipedia article. (Also, before someone questions the accuracy of Wikipedia: An article about the accuracy of Wikipedia from a scholarly journal.)
Sexual orientation is not determined by behavior alone. Based on your post, I take it you're heterosexual. If you have had sex, did you know you were heterosexual before the first time you had sex, or was your sexuality unknown until you became a practicing heterosexual? If you're a virgin, how do you know what your orientation is? Is it because you feel attraction for the opposite sex? Is it because opposite sex partners feel right?
I identify as a straight male. If I was raped by another man, does that make me gay? No, it does not. As far as "cured" homosexuals go, yeah, they can display heterosexual behaviors, but there is no way of knowing whether they've actually become heterosexual or are just kidding themselves.
I could do the opposite. I could go pick up some dudes at a gay bar, sex them up, and say I've never been happier. However, on the inside I'd still be attracted to women. I could do it, but I wouldn't enjoy it.
Reasonable, insult-free response granted. Let's see where this goes.
No, you may not. This is why asking for permission is a bad idea.
Wouldn's surprise me.
I think the gay communities think they should have extra rights just becaus they are gay and that everybody should have at least gay sex experience. 
I don't condemn people for being gay and lesbian but shoving their believes in someone elses face isn't right either.
If they were more casual about being gay and lesbian more and more people would except the idea IMO.
I don't condemn people for being gay and lesbian but shoving their believes in someone elses face isn't right either.
If they were more casual about being gay and lesbian more and more people would except the idea IMO.
I think the gay communities think they should have extra rights just becaus they are gay and that everybody should have at least gay sex experience.
I'm not sure what you are exactly trying to say with this statement, but it's this kind of thinking that gave rise to homophobia in the 20th century. Some very narrow minded people decided that all homosexuals were out to convert "good", "honest" straight people into sodomites.
These days, some narrow minded people assert that giving homosexuals the same rights to marry as heterosexuals is a "gateway" of sorts to homosexuals gaining more rights than heterosexual people because of their sexuality.
Define shoving? Is a man and woman snogging each others faces off in a bar "shoving their beliefs in somone else's face"? It's an expression of love or attraction and it's exactly the same thing for a same sex couple. Being homosexual isn't a "belief", it's who somebody is and if they are attracted to the same sex as themselves - that's just how it is. What gives you, me or anyone else the right to decide that two people cannot express affection for each other or speak about who they are - especially when it's not harming anyone else.
Um, again I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at here. Those people who identify themselves as homosexual who parade around parading their sexualuty are just the same as people who identify themselves as heterosexual doing the same thing. It's not different and it's a huge misconception that homosexuals are ALL hypersexual, have multiple sexual partners and that they seek out heterosexual people to have sexual encounters with and convert... See how ludicrous it gets? That's exactly what the homophobics of this world want people to believe.
And as for the topic, by infringing upon someones civil rights by not selling them a cake for bigoted reasons, it's only a matter of time before the media catches on. It's like a person with dwarfism not being allowed on a rollercoaster because they don't make the height restriction, despite clearly being an adult. It's like an Asian businessperson being searched at an airport almost everytime they check in. Civil rights, you'd think we would have learned from the 1960's by now!
I rest my case...
Well, even my gay friend doesn't want to be associated with the mainstream. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Life if full of suffering and making obscene gestures about it isn't going to make people accept you. IF a heterosexual make obscene gestures at someone, he or she would probably get grilled for it. People would say something like: "where did that guy's manners go."
Mainstream? You mean how mass media often stereotypes homosexual people as being overexcitable, extremely camp and highly sexualised? There is nothing mainstream about it, it's just rubbish spewed out by the same sort of people who feel the need to play people up to their ethnic background in a tropish way.
Precisely, and it's not like homosexual people are prone to making obscene gestures at people. So what's the problem?
It's a TV show that is only a loose reflection of one part of the homosexual culture! It's equivalent in the heterosexual culture would be swinging, dogging and even your average weekend for a student. If I believed everything depicted in fictional dramas, I'd start thinking that all successful women who live in New York have regular sex with men who look like models and talk about it openly with their friends.
If you don't like the things that go in shows based around the "looser" activities of a culture, then don't watch them. I haven't really watched "Queer as Folk" because it was first aired when I was still a kid, furthermore I'm not really interested in shows like that - not because of the homosexual content, but because I dislike shows that revolve around relationships. But I can safely say that the things that go on in that show aren't as prominent as it would lead you to believe.
Thai people are pretty accepting of these gays, lesbians and transgender, but if turn on that kind of trash...even the heterosexual kind...you'd probably get shot. It's not like how they portray gays and transgenders in the movies about Thailand. Parents still don't want their children to turn out like that, but it doesn't stop them from loving them. That's the misconception about Thailand and this whole gay thing in America.
And FYI I don't like the trashy heterosexual stuff either.
And FYI I don't like the trashy heterosexual stuff either.
The funny thing about the "out there" gays, they're the only ones people really know about. And pretending we don't exist is no way to obtain equal rights.
Homosexual or transgendered characters should always be portrayed as people first, and not as a gimmick.
That's fear right there and the worst thing an innocent child can sense from their parents is disappointment in them. If I have children one day, I am fully prepared to accept them regardless of their sexuality. I am also fully prepared for the chance that any of them are of a non-heterosexual orientation.
I have no misconceptions about Thailand and don't know enough about the country to even form a comprehensive opinion about it. As for this whole "gay" thing in America, I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but if it's the homosexual community wanting the rights to marry then you are right - it is a thing. It's a thing because they want the right to commit to their partners just as a couple of the opposite sex can commit to each other. It's all about fairness and getting rid of unjust, backwards restrictions that are enforced by fear from the very kinds people that took issue with people of a non-heterosexual orientation in the first place.
Well, then it that case...they can get married if they want if the laws say so. I have no problem with that. And that's another debate! [chuckle]
For those of you who are curious about homsexual and transgender life in Thailand, "The Gay Capital of the World", you can watch "Beautiful Boxer"...
For those of you who are curious about homsexual and transgender life in Thailand, "The Gay Capital of the World", you can watch "Beautiful Boxer"...
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There must be a lot of wedding's in Iowa that the owner of this shop can afford to turn away bussiness like this.....silly bugger.