Gay Marriage? Not in this Bakery!

[OmahaStar]

No cake for you!

A central Iowa same-sex couple's wedding planning came to a sudden halt.

Victoria Childress, owner of Victoria's Cake Cottage in Des Moines, met with Trina Vodraska and Janelle Sievers during a cake-testing appointment to break the news, which caught them off-guard.

The article goes on to inform us that Ms. Childress, a "christian" refused to serve the happy couple because they have Teh Ghey.

Seriously, wtf century are we living in?

A quick Google search for "Victoria's Cake Cottage" (515) 729-0253at 420 NW 51st Pl, Des Moines, IA 50313

shows there are several boycotts now running for this place. There are also at least 25 news articles about this homophobic bakery owner.

I'm sure they were wearing shirts. I'm sure they were also wearing shoes. So why no service?

 

[RoJoHen]

Darn, and Iowa is normally pretty good about this kind of stuff.

 

[sojourner]

While it was a stupid reason not to serve the couple, I do respect the owner's right not to serve them if she didn't want to.

 

[BillJ]

Great think about capitalism and freedom of speech: they can take their business elsewhere and tell all their friends and family about the poor service.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

While it was a stupid reason not to serve the couple, I do respect the owner's right not to serve them if she didn't want to.

Should the owner also be allowed not to serve black people if she so chooses?

 

[Timby]

Darn, and Iowa is normally pretty good about this kind of stuff.

Des Moines is conservative as hell, though. It, and the rest of Polk County, is basically right-wing Iowa's answer to Johnson and Dubuque Counties. Honestly, this doesn't surprise me, and that's sad.

 

[RoJoHen]

Darn, and Iowa is normally pretty good about this kind of stuff.

Des Moines is conservative as hell, though. It, and the rest of Polk County, is basically right-wing Iowa's answer to Johnson and Dubuque Counties. Honestly, this doesn't surprise me, and that's sad.

Aw, didn't know that about Des Moines. The only thing I know about it is that getting there from the Quad Cities is one of the most boring drives in the entire world.

 

[scotpens]

While it was a stupid reason not to serve the couple, I do respect the owner's right not to serve them if she didn't want to.

Should the owner also be allowed not to serve black people if she so chooses?

Iowa state law bars discrimination in employment and public accommodation based on sexual orientation and gender identity. So the couple have a legitimate complaint if they wish to take legal action.

 

[bigdaddy]

While it was a stupid reason not to serve the couple, I do respect the owner's right not to serve them if she didn't want to.

Welcome to 1955! Leave your civil rights at the door!

 

[RJDiogenes]

Every day I wake up thinking it's the 21st Century, and every day somebody reminds me it's still the 19th.

Still, I didn't realize that Gay Marriage is legal in Iowa. Cool. These people should take legal action. Intolerance should not be tolerated.

 

[OldManDax]

Umm why in the world should she be required to participate in the celebration and affirmation of something she finds morally reprehensible?

Contrary to the depraved rantings of some on here, it is NOT a settled issue, scientifically, morally and existentially, that homosexuality is as natural as people being born black, latino, a pacific islander, female or whatever else. That's only been accepted because, besides cowardly politicians who don't wanna be tarred with the word "backwards" (oh, the horror!), there are a large number of persons attached to their pseudo-heroism, who bombard dissenters with zero-sum rationales and pointless circular logic.

The fact that there are many who were once practicing homosexuals who have gone on to live healthy, contented heterosexual lives (and some who have even gotten married - I know a few) alone tells me that homosexuality is NOT equivalent to being born black or any "race". Michael Jackson aside, there is no such thing as a black man or brown men or yellow man who can change what they genetically are.

Btw, since the inevitable insults will begin flying (God forbid someone here actually reason for themselves, and refuse to toe the ultraliberal line on the BBS - Public Enemy Number #1!), please know that I will NOT respond to any questions or challenges on tonight, as I will be quite busy, and when I do, it will ONLY be those that reasonably engage in discussion, not slash and burn, zero-sum insults. Mere name-calling and defamation is for children. I grew out of that stage a long time ago.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

Contrary to the depraved rantings of some on here

That's only been accepted because, besides cowardly politicians who don't wanna be tarred with the word "backwards" (oh, the horror!), there are a large number of persons attached to their pseudo-heroism, who bombard dissenters with zero-sum rationales and pointless circular logic.

The above statements and the below statement are contradictory at best, probably trolling at their core.

please know that I will NOT respond to any questions or challenges on tonight, as I will be quite busy, and when I do, it will ONLY be those that reasonably engage in discussion, not slash and burn, zero-sum insults.

Mere name-calling and defamation is for children. I grew out of that stage a long time ago.

The evidence

depraved rantings

,

cowardly politicians

, and

persons attached to their pseudo-heroism

seems to indicate otherwise.

Btw, since the inevitable insults will begin flying (God forbid someone here actually reason for themselves, and refuse to toe the ultraliberal line on the BBS - Public Enemy Number #1!),

If the inevitable insults begin flying, you will have the satisfaction of having launched the first one.

Based on your stated intention not to respond tonight, and then only to posters who respond in the method you set out, you have earned an infraction for trolling. Comments to PM

 

[thestrangequark]

^Wow. That was awesome. Am I allowed to say that?

 

[OldManDax]

You can call it what you'd like, 4th hanson - but my experience on the BBS has clearly been that the majority of the ultraleft posters here act like crazed cultists who require that others toe the line on their pet issues. And if someone does not - and actually has the audacity to be STEADFAST in their opinions - they are bombarded with with all manner of out of left field insults, defamation, and wild-eyed slander. Yet the MODS rarely do anything about it, most likely, if we're being honest, because they prefer those ultaliberal viewpoints, and fall back into the any liberal = openminded and "progressive" and conservative = backwards and hateful duality, which is nonsense. I thought this was a discussion board.

One strong evidence of the above is your suggestion that my mentioning "cowardly politicians" rises to the level of trolling. Given that this is a label regularly used by commentators right and even left (have you looked at TNZ lately), it comes off as a bit of red herring. And suggests that perhaps you are driven by other motivations.

 

[OldManDax]

Oh, and saying that people are attached to their pseudo - heroism (i.e describing the narrative causes them to silence any opposing opinions on homosexuality) HARDLY rises to the level of calling somebody a hateful bigot or a stupid person - none of which I've ever done, but to which I've been subjected to multiple times.

 

[Misfit Toy]

You can call it what you'd like, 4th hanson - but my experience on the BBS has clearly been that the majority of the ultraleft posters here act like crazed cultists who require that others toe the line on their pet issues. And if someone does not - and actually has the audacity to be STEADFAST in their opinions - they are bombarded with with all manner of out of left field insults, defamation, and wild-eyed slander. Yet the MODS rarely do anything about it, most likely, if we're being honest, because they prefer those ultaliberal viewpoints, and fall back into the any liberal = openminded and "progressive" and conservative = backwards and hateful duality, which is nonsense. I thought this was a discussion board.

One strong evidence of the above is your suggestion that my mentioning "cowardly politicians" rises to the level of trolling. Given that this is a label regularly used by commentators right and even left (have you looked at TNZ lately), it comes off as a bit of red herring. And suggests that perhaps you are driven by other motivations.

^Restating the insults (crazed cultists)that earned you a warning isn't exactly presenting your argument in a good light.

You may want to rethink your strategy in dealing with the issue.

 

[scotpens]

Still, I didn't realize that Gay Marriage is legal in Iowa. Cool. These people should take legal action. Intolerance should not be tolerated.

It's illegal in Iowa to discriminate in housing, employment or public accommodation on the basis of sexual orientation, but that state doesn't recognize gay marriage. According to Wiki, the only states that grant legal recognition to same-sex marriages are Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York and Vermont, plus Washington, D.C.

Same-sex marriage is also recognized by Oregon's Coquille and Washington state's Suquamish Indian tribes. Which is good news if you're a gay Indian.

 

[the 4th hanson bro]

You can call it what you'd like, 4th hanson - but my experience on the BBS has clearly been that the majority of the ultraleft posters here act like crazed cultists who require that others toe the line on their pet issues. And if someone does not - and actually has the audacity to be STEADFAST in their opinions - they are bombarded with with all manner of out of left field insults, defamation, and wild-eyed slander. Yet the MODS rarely do anything about it, most likely, if we're being honest, because they prefer those ultaliberal viewpoints, and fall back into the any liberal = openminded and "progressive" and conservative = backwards and hateful duality, which is nonsense. I thought this was a discussion board.

One strong evidence of the above is your suggestion that my mentioning "cowardly politicians" rises to the level of trolling. Given that this is a label regularly used by commentators right and even left (have you looked at TNZ lately), it comes off as a bit of red herring. And suggests that perhaps you are driven by other motivations.

Oh, and saying that people are attached to their pseudo - heroism (i.e describing the narrative causes them to silence any opposing opinions on homosexuality) HARDLY rises to the level of calling somebody a hateful bigot or a stupid person - none of which I've ever done, but to which I've been subjected to multiple times.

What part of the "comments to PM" did you miss? I suggest you drop your grandstanding, here and now.

 

[sojourner]

While it was a stupid reason not to serve the couple, I do respect the owner's right not to serve them if she didn't want to.

Should the owner also be allowed not to serve black people if she so chooses?

Iowa state law bars discrimination in employment and public accommodation based on sexual orientation and gender identity. So the couple have a legitimate complaint if they wish to take legal action.

Ah, well in that case I revoke my statement. she had no such right.

I also found it funny how many reacted to the second half of my post while ignoring the first.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Having worked in customer service in the printing business, the nature of the job required--far more than this bakery--that I not only interact with those who may have different beliefs, orientations, and so on, but provide services that helped them with events directly related to those differences. And whatever I might have personally believed about whatever they were doing, I felt very strongly that unless something illegal was involved (such as child porn or materials calling for violence), then it was not my place to treat any customer any differently; they were all to receive the same customer service.

Whether I think the church should perform marriage rites for gay couples has no impact on what I do in the workplace or how I treat people as a person. And I do not think this bakery owner had any right to act like that, and if legal recourse is available, that couple should seek it.

Even if legal recourse were not available, I still would not condone the baker's actions. Had the couple come to me for their banners, invitations, and so on, I would have helped them and shown proper respect while doing that.