Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4

[cbspock]

I'll have to watch again. I didn't notice any new ships in the battle. I figured they were the fighters from Sith that we saw Anakin and Obi-wan flying with.


-Chris

 

[Kords21]

It's getting harder to accept the fact that Krell is a Jedi, he sure doesn't act like one. The clones go out and accomplish a very big goal in this campaign and Krell's more upset about his orders being broken than maybe thinking "Hmm, maybe these clones aren't just cannon fodder". Seems Krell's ego blinds him. Anakin is going to be "WTF?" when he sees/hears about Rex's court martial, I'm sure Krell would insist on being the executioner, he seems to have a thing for killing clones with bad tactics.

How in the world Krell passed the approval of the council while they were so quick to deny Anakin, which did later pan out to their demise, be that as it may though, surely Krell's arrogance would have disqualified him. I wish ROTS had inclued Krell getting offed in the order 66 culling, it'd make this storyline a bit better. As it is, getting kind of tired of Krell gives bad order, clones die, clones not liking Krell and then Krell basks in own ego and fade to black. I don't suppose it's possible that Krell is a seperatist agent working undercover for Dooku. It would seem his plans have really made the invasion any easier.

 

[Marc]

If anyone's ready Zahn's Outbound Flight, the C'Boath could be the template from which Krell was created.

Arrogant, full of own self worth, contemptuous of non-Jedi that you wonder how he got promoted to Jedi Master.

But it's book so of dubious canon.

 

[Set Harth]

It's C'baoth, not C'boath.

 

[DarthPipes]

I'm not enjoying this storyline much and making it 4 parts -- the longest single storyline I can ever remember them doing -- seems excessive, especially when it's almost completely about characters original to the show. Krell is an unbelievable character, constantly obstructionist and unreasonable with no real justification, constantly rejecting good ideas and favoring bad ones just because the script demands it. There's no good rationale for why he is the way he is, or how he's managed to gain such status with such bad tactics.

I really disliked the first act of part 1, where practically the whole thing was just shooting and dying and "fog of war" stuff. I guess they were going for a Saving Private Ryan sort of thing, but if so, that convinces me I never want to see that movie. People shooting at each other is something I find boring and unpleasant to watch. So I was barely paying attention to that whole extended battle sequence. The later stuff has been better because it's actually involved characters saying words to each other and having opinions and feelings and stuff. But it suffers from the caricatured portrayal of Krell and the difficulty telling the clone characters apart (though I'll grant they are pretty distinctively drawn personality-wise; it just takes some time and practice to get the hang of telling them apart visually).

My favorite thing was the alternate holotechnology used in this episode, the images made up of distinct cubic voxels. It was conceptually intriguing and clever and a refreshing change from the rather silly, antiquated look of Star Wars holograms in general. (Seriously, if they're supposed to be 3D, how come they always have perfectly straight scan lines running through them?)

I do enjoy the action scenes and the space battle was visually amazing.

Agreed about Krell. Three episodes in and you still have no idea what makes him tick. The show has been very broad when it comes to the characterizations of new characters. Krell comes across as a dick for the sake of being a dick. I also have to wonder too how he ever became a Jedi with an attitude like this. I'm sure he's remained a general because of Palpatine. Krell gives the Jedi a bad name and that helps Palpatine when he eventually brands them as enemies of the Republic/Empire. I appreciate showing a Jedi that is not the norm but without context, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Agreed as well that it's very difficult to tell the clones apart. The personalities are unique but it's hard to follow all of them.

I really liked the Obi-Wan hologram too. It was nice for them to sake up the norm when it came to that. It goes to show you that while many planets share the same technology, each culture has a different spin on it.

 

[cbspock]

It's getting harder to accept the fact that Krell is a Jedi, he sure doesn't act like one. The clones go out and accomplish a very big goal in this campaign and Krell's more upset about his orders being broken than maybe thinking "Hmm, maybe these clones aren't just cannon fodder". Seems Krell's ego blinds him. Anakin is going to be "WTF?" when he sees/hears about Rex's court martial, I'm sure Krell would insist on being the executioner, he seems to have a thing for killing clones with bad tactics.

How in the world Krell passed the approval of the council while they were so quick to deny Anakin, which did later pan out to their demise, be that as it may though, surely Krell's arrogance would have disqualified him. I wish ROTS had inclued Krell getting offed in the order 66 culling, it'd make this storyline a bit better. As it is, getting kind of tired of Krell gives bad order, clones die, clones not liking Krell and then Krell basks in own ego and fade to black. I don't suppose it's possible that Krell is a seperatist agent working undercover for Dooku. It would seem his plans have really made the invasion any easier.

I wonder if Krell is a spy of some sort, or was Krell sent by Palpatine to get rid of some upstart clones. Maybe Palpatine doesn't like the independent streak he sees in the clones working with Anakin. He could also be using this to create a wedge between Anakin and the Jedi. Especially of this division of the 501st gets wiped out, or is court martialed and executed.

Too bad Krell wasn't introduced earlier so we had some background. All we have is that the clones don't appreciate his battle tactics, or his record of battle.


I do wonder now was Order 66 planted in the clones memories, I could see some clones not having an issue with killing off the Jedi in this situation. I wonder if there were any clones that defected to the rebellion???



-Chris

 

[Set Harth]

I do wonder now was Order 66 planted in the clones memories

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He knew that Order Sixty-Six had not been hardwired into the clones by the Kaminoans who had grown them. Rather, the troopers - the commanders, especially - had been programmed to demonstrate unfailing loyalty to the Supreme Chancellor, in his role as Commander in Chief of the Grand Army of the Republic.

 

[cbspock]

Krell's line about not wasting clones on the operation to destroy the supply ship seems odd given the fact he didn't have a problem wasting clones on his failed strategy to take the airbase and the attacks shown in the first episode of this story arc.


-Chris

 

[Christopher]

Krell's line about not wasting clones on the operation to destroy the supply ship seems odd given the fact he didn't have a problem wasting clones on his failed strategy to take the airbase and the attacks shown in the first episode of this story arc.

He sees clones as a resource to be expended to achieve a goal. He'd be willing to lose a large number of clones if that expenditure gained him a victory, but he doesn't want to waste them on what he sees as a fruitless goal.

Also, he's probably become more cautious about wasting clones now that he's lost so many of them -- not out of compassion, but just out of recognizing that he doesn't have many left and has to concentrate them where their sacrifice will do the most good.

By analogy, consider how a soldier thinks of ammunition. If you start out with a lot of ammo, you're willing to shoot off a lot of it if it helps you get closer to victory, even with the full understanding that you won't be getting it back. But as your ammo supplies diminish, you become more selective about what targets you open fire on and don't waste what you have on what you consider the wrong targets.

 

[cbspock]

It is kind of odd that the Jedi council hasn't noticed the rate at which Krell goes through his Clone units. Are Asoka, Anakin and Ben the only Jedi who treat their clones like people?


-Chris

 

[Hound of UIster]

It's getting harder to accept the fact that Krell is a Jedi, he sure doesn't act like one. The clones go out and accomplish a very big goal in this campaign and Krell's more upset about his orders being broken than maybe thinking "Hmm, maybe these clones aren't just cannon fodder". Seems Krell's ego blinds him. Anakin is going to be "WTF?" when he sees/hears about Rex's court martial, I'm sure Krell would insist on being the executioner, he seems to have a thing for killing clones with bad tactics.

How in the world Krell passed the approval of the council while they were so quick to deny Anakin, which did later pan out to their demise, be that as it may though, surely Krell's arrogance would have disqualified him. I wish ROTS had inclued Krell getting offed in the order 66 culling, it'd make this storyline a bit better. As it is, getting kind of tired of Krell gives bad order, clones die, clones not liking Krell and then Krell basks in own ego and fade to black. I don't suppose it's possible that Krell is a seperatist agent working undercover for Dooku. It would seem his plans have really made the invasion any easier.

I wonder if Krell is a spy of some sort, or was Krell sent by Palpatine to get rid of some upstart clones. Maybe Palpatine doesn't like the independent streak he sees in the clones working with Anakin. He could also be using this to create a wedge between Anakin and the Jedi. Especially of this division of the 501st gets wiped out, or is court martialed and executed.

Too bad Krell wasn't introduced earlier so we had some background. All we have is that the clones don't appreciate his battle tactics, or his record of battle.


I do wonder now was Order 66 planted in the clones memories, I could see some clones not having an issue with killing off the Jedi in this situation. I wonder if there were any clones that defected to the rebellion???

-Chris

Order 66 according to Wookiepedia is one of several contingency orders that were drawn up to deal with possible emergencies including the Jedi or the Surpeme Chancellor going rogue.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Krell's line about not wasting clones on the operation to destroy the supply ship seems odd given the fact he didn't have a problem wasting clones on his failed strategy to take the airbase and the attacks shown in the first episode of this story arc.

He sees clones as a resource to be expended to achieve a goal. He'd be willing to lose a large number of clones if that expenditure gained him a victory, but he doesn't want to waste them on what he sees as a fruitless goal.

Also, he's probably become more cautious about wasting clones now that he's lost so many of them -- not out of compassion, but just out of recognizing that he doesn't have many left and has to concentrate them where their sacrifice will do the most good.

By analogy, consider how a soldier thinks of ammunition. If you start out with a lot of ammo, you're willing to shoot off a lot of it if it helps you get closer to victory, even with the full understanding that you won't be getting it back. But as your ammo supplies diminish, you become more selective about what targets you open fire on and don't waste what you have on what you consider the wrong targets.

Sending two or three clones off on a special mission doesn't constitute a serious weakening of the main thrust.

I think a large part of the problem is that it's the clones themselves who have been offering suggestions on how to improve his battle plan. Straight up the middle seems to be all he thinks the clones are good for. He probably thinks they are just squawking, just because they are afraid of dying.

With Krell, it seems to be an ego thing, as much as prejudice.

Maybe we'll find out if there was an incident in his past that made him this way, or if he just isn't really that bright.

 

[cbspock]

I wonder what the story point is going to turn out to be that took Anakin away from the field of battle. Why pull one of your successful generals that has worked with Obiwan in the past.

Maybe that is it, maybe Palpatine saw this as a chance to get rid of Kenobi.


-Chris

 

[Christopher]

Sending two or three clones off on a special mission doesn't constitute a serious weakening of the main thrust.

I think a large part of the problem is that it's the clones themselves who have been offering suggestions on how to improve his battle plan. Straight up the middle seems to be all he thinks the clones are good for. He probably thinks they are just squawking, just because they are afraid of dying.

With Krell, it seems to be an ego thing, as much as prejudice.

That's a good point. He's probably got a bias, consciously or unconsciously, against suggestions from the clones, so he's just automatically rejecting them and concocting excuses for it.

I wonder what the story point is going to turn out to be that took Anakin away from the field of battle. Why pull one of your successful generals that has worked with Obiwan in the past.

Maybe that is it, maybe Palpatine saw this as a chance to get rid of Kenobi.

Or maybe it's just Palpatine's way of trying to ensure that the invasion of Umbara fails.

 

[cbspock]

I wonder if we will see Anakin and Krell square off after the battle, especially if Anakin's unit is wiped out.

-Chris

 

[jep316]

I realized that as I watched these episodes we're supposed to side with the Clones against their Jedi General,the same Clones that will not really too long from now execute Order 66 and these Clones,the 501st will march behind Darth Vader to destroy the Jedi Temple and massacre everyone including unarmed children.

 

[cbspock]

The question is does Order 66 take away the free will that the clones have demonstrated, or at least some of them??


-Chris

 

[Christopher]

The question is does Order 66 take away the free will that the clones have demonstrated, or at least some of them??

Well, Rex has free will, but he still believes it's a soldier's duty to follow orders whether he agrees with them or not.

 

[cbspock]

Here is the ship that was in the episode..

http://www.starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/technology/z95headhunter/

-Chris

 

[cbspock]

The tear on Tup's helmet, is that supposed to be some sort of homage to the old crying indian commercial???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-FZsysQNw


-Chris