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6.5X012 Closing Time (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Your rating for the episode "Closing Time"

  • Timeless!

    Votes: 33 26.8%
  • Time after time

    Votes: 58 47.2%
  • Tme stand still

    Votes: 18 14.6%
  • Time is running out

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • DELETE

    Votes: 9 7.3%

  • Total voters
    123
I'm all for a calm before the storm episode (I'm in the minority who loves the aforementioned baseball card episode), but falling back on that alone doesn't necessarily make "Closing Time" a good episode.

Doesn't make it necessarily make it a bad episode, either. Put it down to taste, something that does work for some and does not work for others. I have no preference for either, so long as it's executed well.... which I can't completely evaluate until after the finale.
 
That can't be a pre-"Impossible Astronaut" Amy and Rory, as Rory had never heard the word "petrichor" in "The Doctor's Wife," which was the name of Amy's perfume here.

I mean, he can be dense, but hopefully not that dense.

Like Allyn, I suspect the episode is set in 2013 or so, the Doctor having dropped Amy and Rory off in late 2011 in "The God Complex."
 
Petrichor: The scent of rain on dry earth.
The Doctor's Wife: The episode in which Amy learns the meaning of the word from Idris.
Closing Time: An episode in which Amy is the face of a perfume called Petrichor.
The Impossible Astronaut: An episode which in Amy and Rory's timeline clearly precedes the other two.

(Edit: Steve got there before me.)
 
Which just proves that episode took place in the future of his death. Not the day before. Because "tomorrow" was in relation to his perspective, not relative to where he currently was in the space-time continuum.
 
If I'm right the paper in last night's episode would have to be dated 21/04/11 - the day before. (Or just possibly 20/04, if it was a paper left from the previous day).
The newspaper is dated April 19, 2011.

Except that can't possibly make any sense, because then there would be two Amys and two Rorys living on Earth in early 2011. And given that the older Amy knows when the Doctor dies, wouldn't she try and stop it from happening?
 
Which just proves that episode took place in the future of his death. Not the day before. Because "tomorrow" was in relation to his perspective, not relative to where he currently was in the space-time continuum.

Exactly. He has also previously referred to days and weeks as units of time from his own perspective, eg in the Big Bang rewind when he sees Amy delivering the note to set up the events in the Lodger. Closing Time also indicates that the Doctor has a limited amount of time, which he uses to tidy up Craig's place.

Aw, cr@p.
 
Coming back to the overall season/arc - I think another part of the problem is that making the Doctor's death a fixed point in time and going on about how that's definitely when it happens no matter what - aside from the issue that it'll obviously get worked around (if when Smith leaves and a 12th Doctor is cast, at the very latest), and so is a cheat to start with - is that it means that for this season there's been no threat to the Doctor. Cos we know where and when he dies, at least until they somehow work around it in the finale. So we've had a whole season where we know nothing will happen to him- which kind of fucks up the poisoning in LKH, and so on.

Exactly my feelings about it. We know the Doctor isn't going to die. It's the one thing we do know, so any kind of tension about what's going to happen is a non-starter. No matter how good the build-up, and some of it has been very good, the denouement has already been completely undermined because it started with a lie.
 
Remember the Doctor has to post the letters first

He has a time machine...

Which was my point, *they* still need three or four days from getting the letters to do anything which is why it can't literally be "tomorrow" to them.

Er, yeah, but that's my point as well - that if it is literally tomorrow, there must be two of them, or else it's a goof in the episode (which I think it is)
 
If I'm right the paper in last night's episode would have to be dated 21/04/11 - the day before. (Or just possibly 20/04, if it was a paper left from the previous day).
The newspaper is dated April 19, 2011.

Except that can't possibly make any sense, because then there would be two Amys and two Rorys living on Earth in early 2011. And given that the older Amy knows when the Doctor dies, wouldn't she try and stop it from happening?

Hah! I was right - either there are two of them, or, more likely, it's a big fucking goof!

Not only should Amy and Rory not be there, but she's the face of Petrichor before she ever heard of the word (in The Doctor's Wife...) And the days don't line up either- the 19th was a Tuesday, but the following day is Sunday, and the Doctor died of Saturday the 22nd - which was actually a Friday...
 
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Exactly my feelings about it. We know the Doctor isn't going to die. It's the one thing we do know, so any kind of tension about what's going to happen is a non-starter. No matter how good the build-up, and some of it has been very good, the denouement has already been completely undermined because it started with a lie.

Thats pretty much a given. What I'm dying to find out is how the hell he manages to dodge the bullet.
 
Have you ever seen Remo Unarmed and Dangerous?

Have you ever read the books? They would be right up your street - think of the odd couple but via a racist lens and where one of the 'couple' is homicidal and will kill anyone who gets between him and his 'beautiful dramas' (daytime soap operas).

Oh and Remo breaking a killer cock-ring simply by flexing his penis.
 
It was very much an RTD show, wasn't it? With the focus on family life and relationships, the power of emotions, a quick and unsatisfying conclusion and explosions. I loved it.

Matt Smith was fantastic and I think he works very well with Corden. Actually I think Corden seems to have quite an easy rapport with pretty much any other actor, which is a great gift.
 
What I loved most though was that Smith played him just differently enough that you really thought this was later in his life. I'm going to be annoyed if we find out this is a ganger clone or duplicate or something (regardless of what Canton said in TIA).

I think the fact that Canton said that should be important. I don't like when writers acknowledge an obvious thought and then lie to our faces to hide it. They could deflect it or ignore it, but to distract us, they shouldn't directly lie. While I feel they need some way around this, I think that needs to be the Doctor.

The main thing that I'm worried about is how are they going to explain why The Silence want him dead. At the moment there really seems to be no motivation at all.

While I believe they'll explain it (guess based on the trailer), I wonder if a causality thing. What if they don't like that the Doctor has essentially made them hunted, so they want their revenge.

The other thing that I can't believe (unless I've missed it) am I the only one who spotted the Dalek in the preview of next week?

I saw it. Could be anything, but it's there.
 

And Rory's hospital ID badge was dated 1990, because the person printing it made a mistake.

Unless Amy was a successful model/entrepreneur between 'A Christmas Carol' and 'The Impossible Astronaut' and just forgot to mention it, 'Closing Time' takes place a year or two after the end of 'The God Complex' from her POV.

The Doctor's a time traveller. His own personal tomorrow could be a thousand years from now or a million years ago.
 
When was the episode filmed? The only reason for it to be a production error that I can think of would be to have the date of the newspaper right around the date of filming.
 
When was the episode filmed? The only reason for it to be a production error that I can think of would be to have the date of the newspaper right around the date of filming.

We're talking about something that can't even be seen on TV unless you pause the episode and probably not even then if you're not watching the HD version.
 
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