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Need help putting my TNG Novel together

It'll be a paying position, sort of like an adjunct delegate overseeing all Star Trek submissions and materials. He would decide which series get made and what direction the franchise should take and pursue and lead it away from blind alleys and with his military backround and being through with Vangurd, he would be a good candidate if he could remain objective and unbiased, which is why I suggested two of you.

The pay would start at three cents an hour.
 
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It'll be a paying position, sort of like an adjunct delegate overseeing all Star Trek submissions and materials. He would decide which what series get made and what direction the franchise should take and pursue and lead it away from blind alleys nd with his military backround and being through with Vangurd, he would be a good candidate if he could remain objective, which is why I suggested two of you.

The pay would be starting at three cents an hour.
You're certifiable.
 
Subjective aesthetics as to what Trek lit should be all about, mm. Do the editors themselves have readers like the tv show did? who provide them with help sorting it all out. I vote for Dayton for this exhaulted position.

Gosh, what did Dayton ever do to you?

When the annual "Strange New Worlds" contest was running, Dean Wesley Smith often spoke about the chore of reading through the piles and piles of open fan submissions. They were only whole short stories, but if DWS didn't make it through the first paragraph, they were usually cast aside.

Now the "slush pile" of proposals-and-sample-chapters of ST novels you talk about have to, since the late 80s or so, be submitted by a recognised literary agent. You'd assume that manuscripts sent by agents are already of much higher quality than novels sent in by individual wanna-be writers in the bad ol' days of open submissions.

My literary agent has already offered to send in a proposal-and-sample-chapters on my behalf. But, so far, I haven't ever come up with something that fits the submission guidelines that reads well to me, let alone me risking embarrassing my agent by asking her to submit something. She won't be sending anything that she thinks isn't worth her time. I've already decided, I'd rather my first book deal should be non-Star Trek, to give me a much better chance of selling it when/if it gets rejected by Pocket (or CBS Licensing). But the "slush pile" you complain about may not be too slushy. Agents have already refused to submit the crappy stuff. We would hope.

It seems like you're trying to say that you don't trust Ed Schlesinger's judgment. Or perhaps that his "subjective aesthetics" are not to your liking? Ed's been at Pocket a loooong time. I've read numerous ST books and non ST books that I know he's edited, and loved them. Unless you've had private dealings with the guy, why do you presume that he needs help sorting out Pocket's slush pile?

Maybe this kind of wild speculation is why Ed prefers not to associate with fans here on TrekBBS? Or because he's simply busy doing his main job: editing.

It'll be a paying position, sort of like an adjunct delegate overseeing all Star Trek submissions and materials. He would decide which what series get made and what direction the franchise should take...

Hey, Richard Arnold used to have that job. Almost. Between the premiere of ST IV and Gene R's death in 1991.
 
I'm talking about Ed's so called readers and filterers who get to decide before Ed evn gets to see anything. These are the lowly people that control the Star Trek universe?
 
I'm talking about Ed's so called readers and filterers who get to decide before Ed evn gets to see anything. These are the lowly people that control the Star Trek universe?

I'm sure that Ed checks their work every now and then, to ensure that they are coming up to scratch. The reader's report would tell him all he needs to know. It's either "total crap" ("Cross that agent off our list!") or worth Ed's further investigation. The pile is not such a teetering tower that he can't go riffling deeper for himself.

Corruption at the very top and very bottom make Ed's job very simple.

What "corruption"? Because they didn't like your submission?
 
Corruption at the very top and very bottom make Ed's job very simple.

1. It's not corruption to pay someone else to weed out what's bad. Seriously, what a utopia the world would be if this were the definition of corruption!

2. Get over it. You're not entitled to have a Star Trek novel published; no one is. Being able to write for Star Trek is a privilege you earn by playing by Pocket's and CBS's rules. If you don't like it, tough. You aren't entitled to it, it's not yours, and you'll just have to publish it as fan fic on the Internet instead.
 
2. Get over it. You're not entitled to have a Star Trek novel published; no one is. Being able to write for Star Trek is a privilege you earn by playing by Pocket's and CBS's rules. If you don't like it, tough. You aren't entitled to it, it's not yours, and you'll just have to publish it as fan fic on the Internet instead.

Right. Pocket is not a vanity press. Writing Star Trek fiction is a job. And like any job, it's not about the employer giving you what you want, it's about you giving the employer what they want. There are perks in return if you manage to earn the job and do it to their satisfaction, but it's not an entitlement.
 
Get over it. You're not entitled to have a Star Trek novel published; no one is. Being able to write for Star Trek is a privilege you earn by playing by Pocket's and CBS's rules. If you don't like it, tough. You aren't entitled to it, it's not yours, and you'll just have to publish it as fan fic on the Internet instead.

Maybe not the best way to handle it. Do I detect a hint of bitterness from you? (the stuff about playing by the rules and it being a privilege) I'd imagine it's a different thing to get a Star Trek novel published than it is to write something original and locate a publisher willing to even read your manuscript.
 
I think they said it was an eaisier thing to do as I think Ed is not so much concerned with overall direction as the good quality of a well written story.
 
I'd imagine it's a different thing to get a Star Trek novel published than it is to write something original and locate a publisher willing to even read your manuscript.

Yes it is, for a number of reasons: You don't own what you write, you need to get it approved by the people who do own it, there's only one possible paying market for it, and you don't get as much in royalties from it. In just about every respect, it's a lot less rewarding than original fiction. (I mean, sure, there is the fannish thrill of getting to write Trek stories, but there's an even greater thrill to seeing your own original work in print.) And it's a lot harder to succeed at, because there's only one market for it.

But otherwise, the same principle applies: It's a job, not a hobby. You have to compete with professionals for the job, and so you have to perform at a professional level and prove you can fulfill the requirements. It's not something you can get to do just because you think it would be fun.
 
I think they said it was an eaisier thing to do

Yes, it's easier to have a non-ST proposal-and-sample-chapters accepted by another publisher than a ST proposal-and-sample-chapters accepted by Pocket/Gallery.

I think Ed is not so much concerned with overall direction as the good quality of a well written story.
When did Ed ever say or intimate this? Are you basing your opinions on a rejection letter from Ed, or a reading of recent ST novels (remembering that some recent releases were edited by Jaime Costas)?
 
Well, not to be snarky, but why wouldn't he be concerned with the good quality of a well written novel, for one, but the general direction regarding series development might be too much for him to think about especially when lots of things seem just as good as lots of other things. Just an observation.
 
But otherwise, the same principle applies: It's a job, not a hobby. You have to compete with professionals for the job, and so you have to perform at a professional level and prove you can fulfill the requirements. It's not something you can get to do just because you think it would be fun.

From your website I see that you have had novelettes published in science fiction monthlies such as Analog. I'm curious, have you ever had an original novel (one that is not a tie in to a franchise such as, Star Trek or X-Men) published prior to your upcoming novel and not as a feature within a periodical?

Would you be willing to explain the process of trying to get your original fiction published, prior to being known within the industry? (I'm certain that as a writer, you have been down that path)
 
I think they said it was an eaisier thing to do

Yes, it's easier to have a non-ST proposal-and-sample-chapters accepted by another publisher than a ST proposal-and-sample-chapters accepted by Pocket/Gallery.

I'm not sure "easier" is the word. The standards are just as high for original work. It's better to say that you have more opportunities for success. If you fail to sell an original proposal to one publisher, there are plenty of other publishers to try. But if you fail to sell a Trek proposal to Pocket, that's it; you're out of luck with it.


(remembering that some recent releases were edited by Jaime Costas)?

Well, edited in part by her. She was only in the job for 7 months or so before going on maternity leave (and then choosing not to return), and that's not enough time to see any project all the way through.
 
Well, not to be snarky, but why wouldn't he be concerned with the good quality of a well written novel, for one, but the general direction regarding series development might be too much for him to think about especially when lots of things seem just as good as lots of other things. Just an observation.

I have no idea what you're on about. Who says Ed is not "concerned with the good quality of a well written novel", or that the "general direction regarding series development" is too much for Ed to think about?

If you're just trolling us, you're wasting everyone's time.
 
I think Ed is not so much concerned with overall direction as the good quality of a well written story.
When did Ed ever say or intimate this? Are you basing your opinions on a rejection letter from Ed, or a reading of recent ST novels (remembering that some recent releases were edited by Jaime Costas)?

Heck, The Rings of Time, which is coming out next year, was originally submitted to Margaret Clark way back in 2009.

(As I recall, I submitted a CSI outline to Ed around the same time. Helpful writer tip: don't place all your hopes on one book. It's always good to have a couple irons in the fire.)
 
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